Originally posted by Zamboner
It's not just indoctrination from a faith perspective but can also be guilt brought on from family, friends and any other group with influence in one's life that pushes the lie that homosexuality is shameful and abnormal. I firmly disagree with your claim that homosexuality can be the lie. Unless you've lived it, you can't claim any such fallacy as fact. t back to the hetero life. Admittedly these were all flaky art school city girls though.

Yes there are those who do not need assistance, I agree, but there are those, who, coming upon a knowledge of scripture recognise the need for change in order to bring their lives into harmony with scriptural principles, that is a chaste heterosexual relationship within the confines of marriage, or celibacy without marriage. This applies not only to homosexuals but to those who are living outside of marriage (hetro or homosexual) or who are engaging with persons who are already married (adulterers), or rather interestingly, those who are polygamists. The emphasis is not on what is normal, but on that which conforms to Bibles standards. All who want to bring their life into harmony with those standards therefore, must make changes in their behavior in order to do so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes there are those who do not need assistance, I agree, but there are those, who, coming upon a knowledge of scripture recognise the need for change in order to bring their lives into harmony with scriptural principles, that is a chaste heterosexual relationship within the confines of marriage, or celibacy without marriage. This applies not only to ...[text shortened]... o harmony with those standards therefore, must make changes in their behavior in order to do so.

Well, that is their choice.

Now what?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yawn. If anyone would like to answer the question of whether it is possible that someone can change their behavior or that they are doomed as those who propose the essentially destructive pseudo scientific immutability approach as once a homosexual always a homosexual, then please let the forum know. In the absence of an honest answer we shall now ...[text shortened]... that the materialists cannot bring themselves to answer the question, should not be a deterrent.

6 factual/logic errors in that post.

Originally posted by Zamboner
Well, that is their choice.

Now what?

Indeed, now we can finally get onto the theme of the discussion, what help can be given.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Indeed, now we can finally get onto the theme of the discussion, what help can be given.

Avalanchethecat gave the best advice thus far. Live as God made you. Gay as the day is long.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that's simply unacceptable and unworkable, its not helping the person at all bring their life into harmony with Biblical principles, they might as well continue as they are, or join a chess club, or a tennis club. Its naught but a spiritual buffet of convenience.

If they need to change their behavior why did your god create them in the first place? If your god hates gays, why did it create them? Doesn't it say in your scriptures that your god loves all its creatures?

Originally posted by Zamboner
Avalanchethecat gave the best advice thus far. Live as God made you. Gay as the day is long.

no, thats a spiritual buffet and is a nonsense for those who want to bring their lives into harmony with Biblical principles. Its essentially destructive for its akin to saying that once gay always gay, no way. God did not make people gay, it is considered a consequence of inherited imperfection known as sin. We are all subject to its dictates in one way or another.

Originally posted by sonhouse
If they need to change their behavior why did your god create them in the first place? If your god hates gays, why did it create them? Doesn't it say in your scriptures that your god loves all its creatures?

Woa woa, just stop where you are, the Bible does not state that God hates gays, it is the act itself that is condemned, i hope you have both the maturity and the intellectual capacity to comprehend the difference. Deviation from what is considered natural is generally the consequence of inherited imperfection termed sin.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
God did not make people gay, it is considered a consequence of inherited imperfection known as sin.

Homosexuality is "a consequence of inherited imperfection known as sin"? Do you have anything "scientific" or non-superstitious to back up this assertion?