God loves all sexuality

Originally posted by Badwater
Tell him that a minister (me) says it is not a sin. Not every Christian thinks that a (to me) perverse, archaiac interpretation of sexuality, and sexuality itself, is sinful. Humans simply have to understand that all of us have a sexual nature, and it's different for everyone and to different degrees. Unfortunately too many churches don't understand that; they just simply parrot St. Augustine's notion of original sin, where he sexualizes the Garden of Eden myth.

Covenant with God is regardless of sexuality. Belief in God is regardless of sexuality. God loves all in all their expressions of sexuality, even if people are imperfect enough not to. God is bigger than people in that respect. Tell your friend that.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But the general argument goes like this:

If you love God, you will strive not to sin. Some expressions of sexuality are explicitly (i.e.,
Biblically) sinful. Therefore, such expressions of sexuality reflect a lack of covenant with God,
and consequently a lack of love for God. Thus, those who express such sexuality cannot be
believers.

How, as a minister, do you respond to that and the incessant Biblical quotation that would
accompany it?

Nemesio

Well, I tried to respond but I must have touched off a filter so it will have to wait.

This sounds like circle argument:

(1) Good loves all types of sexuality.
(2) I don't think a certain type of sexuality is loved by god.
(3) Therefore it is a sin, and not a proper type sexuality.
(4) Of all types of sexualities, this one in particular is excluded.
and we are back to
(5) Good loves all types of sexuality.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
This sounds like circle argument:

(1) Good loves all types of sexuality.
(2) I don't think a certain type of sexuality is loved by god.
(3) Therefore it is a sin, and not a proper type sexuality.
(4) Of all types of sexualities, this one in particular is excluded.
and we are back to
(5) Good loves all types of sexuality.

did you know that only two men lying in bed(getting it on) is considered sinful in the bible? lesbians are not mentioned and therefore one could consider it is not a sin for them. since the penalty for two men is death it is reasonable to assume that god would have mentioned lesbianism too if it was wrong.

my opinion is that it is not the homosexuality in itself that is sinful, but what it means. getting it on with a men might mean you don't do your wife and therefore you don't reproduce. and since the jews were a handful of people, it wouldn't have been very good for survival if some dudes decided they like sausage.

now this is no longer the case. we are enough people in the world, if some dudes like to abstain from making children i say they are doing the world a favor, not sin.

If god created homosexuality, then he must approve of it, doesn't he? Why else did he create it in the first place?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
This sounds like circle argument:

(1) Good loves all types of sexuality.
(2) I don't think a certain type of sexuality is loved by god.
(3) Therefore it is a sin, and not a proper type sexuality.
(4) Of all types of sexualities, this one in particular is excluded.
and we are back to
(5) Good loves all types of sexuality.

I did this at length once before, but—the words used in the Hebrew and the Greek to condemn (male) homosexual sex are, at best, equivocal. The Hebrew word, for example, does not imply moral wickedness—regardless of the fact that it was translated as “abomination”—a rather “abominable” word, at least in English. At the most, some things were forbidden the Israelites that were not forbidden to everyone else.

I had a (Episcopal) priest who had studied in depth the OT and NT passages, in their original languages, who came to the same conclusion. [I can cite a book for reading, if anyone is interested.] He offered up one of the bravest homilies I have ever heard on the subject.

Originally posted by vistesd
[I can cite a book for reading, if anyone is interested.]

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
now this is no longer the case. we are enough people in the world, if some dudes like to abstain from making children i say they are doing the world a favor, not sin.

Originally posted by Nemesio
Please do.

Originally posted by Nemesio
You are not summarizing his claim. He doesn't claim 2. I'm curious, as a Christian minister,
how he responds to the Biblical citation about this sexual practice and that sexual practice that
invariably follows when someone says that God is comfortable with all sexual expressions.

Nemesio

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I think his parapraph: "If you love God, you will strive not to sin. Some expressions of sexuality are explicitly (i.e., Biblically) sinful. Therefore, such expressions of sexuality reflect a lack of covenant with God, and consequently a lack of love for God. Thus, those who express such sexuality cannot be believers." is an example of (2).

I can read t. But it is not so. Therefore, he is only express his opinion about this, so (2) applies.

Originally posted by Nemesio
That's not his paragraph. His paragraph was written in bold. The paragraph you attributed to him
was my paraphrase of the usual rebuttal made by Christians to his paragraph.

That is, most Christians (especially ministers) tend to disbelieve the claim that 'God loves all
expressions of sexuality.' I was curious about his justification for that claim, given that it is
not the mainstream.

Nemesio