KellyJay wrote this:

"...a good God will forever hate the wicked, the evil, sinners, and will not accept them as these all fall short."

Thread 179544 page 1, post 9, paragraph 1

I completely disagree with this statement by KellyJay and incidentally so does dj2becker. But KellyJay is refusing to discuss it with me and dj2becker is refusing to discuss it with KellyJay. Anyway, leaving the childish unprincipled behavior behind for a moment...does God hate sinners?

Surely this is not what Jesus said when he so loved the world, when he died for us while we were still sinners, when he dined with the tax collectors and prostitutes...?

Or is it just another of KellyJay's attempts to basically say "God loves me because I'm saved, but he hates you because you are not"

Personally I think it's the latter but your thoughts and opinions are welcome.

@divegeester said
KellyJay wrote this:

"...a good God will forever hate the wicked, the evil, sinners, and will not accept them as these all fall short."

Thread 179544 page 1, post 9, paragraph 1

I completely disagree with this statement by KellyJay and incidentally so does dj2becker. But KellyJay is refusing to discuss it with me and dj2becker is refusing to ...[text shortened]... e you are not"[/i]

Personally I think it's the latter but your thoughts and opinions are welcome.

@divegeester said
KellyJay wrote this:

"...a good God will forever hate the wicked, the evil, sinners, and will not accept them as these all fall short."

Thread 179544 page 1, post 9, paragraph 1

I completely disagree with this statement by KellyJay and incidentally so does dj2becker. But KellyJay is refusing to discuss it with me and dj2becker is refusing to ...[text shortened]... e you are not"[/i]

Personally I think it's the latter but your thoughts and opinions are welcome.

@secondson said
Psalm 11:2
For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may privily shoot at the upright in heart.

Verse 5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth

Psalm 5:5,6
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Thou shalt destroy them that sp ...[text shortened]... whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Context context context.

@whodey said
IF he truly hated the sinner, then Christ would have never come, but at that time they still needed to destroy the sinner to help stop the spread of sins within the community that would ultimately have destroyed them all.

@whodey said
In the NT through the blood of Christ many sinners were able to destroy the sin in their lives, instead of destroying the sinner.

@FMF

OSAS Christians declare themselves "forgiven" for their "sins", "born again", and irreversibly "saved" and headed for the reward of everlasting life ~ even if they "sin". There are Christians - like KellyJay - declaring that they are every bit as "wicked and evil" as I am, and they admit that they continue to "sin", and yet they declare they are "saved" regardless. How can this possibly be characterized as them being "able to destroy the sin in their lives"?

@divegeester said
At what point does Jesus go from hating a sinner to loving them so much that he died for them?

“For while we were still sinners Christ died for us”

KellyJay uses scripture as a spite weapon against his detractors just like you do, just like Josephw did, just like GrampyBobby did and just like sonship does.

It is a nasty mean-spirited behaviour which disgusts me, so I go after it.

@whodey said
The goal of the God of the Bible is to destroy sin.

In the OT, God's people were ordered to destroy the sinner to destroy the sin.

In the NT through the blood of Christ many sinners were able to destroy the sin in their lives, instead of destroying the sinner.

Therefore, to say in the OT that God hates the sinner is partially true. IF he truly hated the sinner, then ...[text shortened]... to help stop the spread of sins within the community that would ultimately have destroyed them all.

@sonship said
You have a problem with very, very low self esteem, I think.
I wonder how much of your negative reaction to the Christian gospel is fueled by low self esteem fighting desperately.

@sonship said
I mean your self esteem is so precariously low that you cannot afford any criticism.
The tiniest bit of suggestion of you not being just already perfect invokes a wild reaction like a man drowning and fighting for air.

@divegeester said

Anyway, leaving the childish unprincipled behavior behind for a moment...does God hate sinners?

@fmf said
These personal remarks are mere deflection and have no effect on my self-esteem, sonship. You are dodging the content of the post that you are 'replying' to. It was about the ideology you espouse and not whether or not I am "perfect" or "wild" or "drowning" or "fighting for air" etc.

There are Christians - like KellyJay - declaring that they are every bit as "wicked and evil" as I am, and they admit that they continue to "sin", and yet they declare they are "saved" regardless. How can this possibly be characterized as them being "able to destroy the sin in their lives"?

@sonship said
We understand.
But these are not personal remarks about anyone ?

There are Christians - like KellyJay - declaring that they are every bit as "wicked and evil" as I am, and they admit that they continue to "sin", and yet they declare they are "saved" regardless. How can this possibly be characterized as them being "able to destroy the sin in their lives"?

Ie. "Let me dish it out. But don't anyone dish it out to me, FMF."

@sonship said
@FMF
You have a problem with very, very low self esteem, I think.
I mean your self esteem is so precariously low that you cannot afford any criticism. The tiniest bit of suggestion of you not being just already perfect invokes a wild reaction like a man drowning and fighting for air.