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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI haven't read enough to know this myself, but if wikki be a true reference-
i dont think its a part of Judaism or Islam, not sure about Hinduism, Buddhism or others
. Both Judaism and Islam put the emphasis on reparation being made, rather than
forgiveness being exercised.
From wikki;
"It is forbidden to be obdurate and not allow yourself to be appeased. On the contrary, one should be easily pacified and find it difficult to become angry. When asked by an offender for forgiveness, one should forgive with a sincere mind and a willing spirit. . . forgiveness is natural to the seed of Israel." (Mishneh Torah, Teshuvah 2:10)
The Qur'an makes it clear that, whenever possible, it is better to forgive another than to attack another. The Qur'an describes the believers (Muslims)
as those who, avoid gross sins and vice, and when angered they forgive. (Qur'an 42:37)
For the others you mentioned, they are there too; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness
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Originally posted by yo its meJudaism is based upon the Mosaic Law, it has ordinances which require reparation to be
I haven't read enough to know this myself, but if wikki be a true reference-
From wikki;
"It is forbidden to be obdurate and not allow yourself to be appeased. On the contrary, one should be easily pacified and find it difficult to become angry. When asked by an offender for forgiveness, one should forgive with a sincere mind and a willing spirit. . . For the others you mentioned, they are there too; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness
made, regardless of what the Mishna recommends, i can list them if you like. Islamic
law also requires that some form of reparation be made, that is why you will often find
those involved in a lawsuit willing to give/take payment as a reparation for some crime
involving death or guilt of a loved one, regardless of what the Koran advises. These
references that you cited are merely recommendations as opposed to actual
ordinances.
Christianity is not law based, it has as its basis the faculty of conscience and the
example of self sacrifice and forgiveness, it is thus, in this respect superior and for this
i make no apology, nor will i be induced to do so.
03 Sep 11
Originally posted by VoidSpiritThe thing is, I was wondering why he would connect atheism with forgiveness, like not believing in god means you are some kind of cold cruel character all of a sudden but say you are recently converted to atheism and back then you were all sweetness and light.
are you sure you're not talking about the bible-god?
Why would anyone bring this up as a valid debate point at all?
03 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseI don't think he brought this up as a debate point. He was just curious
The thing is, I was wondering why he would connect atheism with forgiveness, like not believing in god means you are some kind of cold cruel character all of a sudden but say you are recently converted to atheism and back then you were all sweetness and light.
Why would anyone bring this up as a valid debate point at all?
as to the attitude of the atheist toward the helpfulness or value of
forgiveness to the individual who forgives. We apparently have a few
atheist on this forum that might be able to answer his question, not
debate with him. When Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek" he was
referring to forgiveness not to "do not defend yourself" as most
atheist take it to mean.
03 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsFor me, forgiveness or not should have nothing to do with what a religion says about the issue. It is pretty simple, does the person causing the slight come back with humility or is he or she just being arrogant? That makes the difference for me.
I don't think he brought this up as a debate point. He was just curious
as to the attitude of the atheist toward the helpfulness or value of
forgiveness to the individual who forgives. We apparently have a few
atheist on this forum that might be able to answer his question, not
debate with him. When Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek" he was
referring to forgiveness not to "do not defend yourself" as most
atheist take it to mean.
I have a hard time with forgiveness in the face of blatant arrogance or lack of remorse.
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03 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHinds'she'
I don't think he brought this up as a debate point. He was just curious
as to the attitude of the atheist toward the helpfulness or value of
forgiveness to the individual who forgives. We apparently have a few
atheist on this forum that might be able to answer his question, not
debate with him. When Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek" he was
referring to forgiveness not to "do not defend yourself" as most
atheist take it to mean.
03 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseThat is a good start toward the answer. But the main idea is when you
For me, forgiveness or not should have nothing to do with what a religion says about the issue. It is pretty simple, does the person causing the slight come back with humility or is he or she just being arrogant? That makes the difference for me.
I have a hard time with forgiveness in the face of blatant arrogance or lack of remorse.
forgive someone that has come back in humility and apologizes, do you
feel your act of forgiveness also benefits you in any way?