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Originally posted by WulebgrGo ahead and note the errors. We are here to learn the truth.
We could note the errors.
Originally posted by jaywillI also think it's unlikely, perhaps even farfetched, that Jesus was an invented character. However, the farfetched belief to which I was referring was not that Jesus was invented. It was that he is still alive, despite having died 2000 years ago.
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Okay, give me an example of a farfetched belief that is reasonably commonly held, but with which you disagree.
I think a somewhat commonly held idea which is farfetched is that human imagination invented the character of Jesus and placed fictional words in His mouth. That a group of fishermen from Galilee concocted such a character as Jesus of N ...[text shortened]... e research to imperically detect radio signals from a possible intelligent source in deep space.[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillThere are 1000 people alive today who have witnessed that I am the Lord.
Of these people, including the over five hundred witnesses (of whom the majority were alive at the time of Paul's writing to the Corinthians) do you have record of any coming foward to dispute Paul's claim?
Originally posted by catfoodtimI think its funny and dont mind at all.
Everytime I see your user name in my head I read 'twathead'.
I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, just a point of interest.
Originally posted by jaywillSeveral thousand contemporary witnesses claim to have been abducted by aliens. However, I don't regard their testimony as valid. This is because it their claim to have been abducted by aliens is farfetched. Similarly, I regard as farfetched the claim that a man who died two millenia years ago rose from the dead. Hence, even if several hundred historical witness claim to have seen him, I don't regard their testimony as valid.
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[b]I also think it's unlikely, perhaps even farfetched, that Jesus was an invented character. However, the farfetched belief to which I was referring was not that Jesus was invented. It was that he is still alive, despite having died 2000 years ago.
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Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI think you need to spend much more time studying the personal character of the Person Jesus of Nazareth to see if claims of victory over death are consistent with other victories attributed to Him.
Several thousand contemporary witnesses claim to have been abducted by aliens. However, I don't regard their testimony as valid. This is because it their claim to have been abducted by aliens is farfetched. Similarly, I regard as farfetched the claim that a man who died two millenia years ago rose from the dead. Hence, even if several hundred historical misattribute agency, so we have a credible alternative account of the origin of these beliefs.
Originally posted by jaywillDo you think that testimony to having a relationship with an invisible person who died 2000 years ago would stand up in a court of law? I don't think so. This points to a problem with the nature of your alleged evidence. In short, there is nothing outside of yourself that you can point to in order to authentic your belief that you are having a relationship with this invisible person. Your are mistaking conviction for proof. You have done nothing to show that this belief is not far-fetched.
I think you need to spend much more time studying the personal character of the Person Jesus of Nazareth to see if claims of victory over death are consistent with other victories attributed to Him.
I also think that the witnesses over the last 2,000 years who have testified of personal relationship with the Holy Spirit (Jesus in His pneumatic form) is m ...[text shortened]... r much time, it is reasonable that God could put Jesus in a form in which many could know Him.