Dive, FMF, KellyJay thread

@kellyjay said
It is the Word of God, in context you get His truths which can be historical, though visions, parables, metaphoric, or clearly spoken. None of that should be rejected but pray-fully read and pondered, none of it is to be read by private interpretation.

I agree 👍🏻

@kellyjay said

Saying a verse was true for you suggesting the limits of its truth was limited to you. Did you misspeak, implying that the truth of scripture is simply truth only to what each person makes it out to be, that we get to make it whatever we want?If you did mean that, how could it correct us if we get to make it say what we want?

Are you going to have the courage to answer this question:

Is the bible the complete, exclusive, inerrant word of god?

It’s fascinating that hold tight this handed-down old wineskin belief and yet lack the courage to be unequivocal about it.

@divegeester said
As I’ve told you many times, my faith is rooted in Jesus Christ.

Yours is rooted in a book.

Do you feel as if that is a bad thing, as if the written Word is something that is meaningless towards God and man. How would you know Jesus name without the written Word?

@kellyjay said
Do you feel as if that is a bad thing, as if the written Word is something that is meaningless towards God and man. How would you know Jesus name without the written Word?

Are you going to have the courage to answer this question:

Is the bible the complete, exclusive, inerrant word of god?

No… ok then we are in agreement 👍🏻

@kellyjay said
Do you feel as if that is a bad thing, as if the written Word is something that is meaningless towards God and man. How would you know Jesus name without the written Word?

The same way early Christinas knew Jesus before the NT was written and canonized at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

Most Christians were unacquainted with written Bibles anyway, until the advent of Gutenberg's printing press.

You worship a book, not God.

@moonbus said
The same way early Christinas knew Jesus before the NT was written and canonized at the council of Nicaea in 325 AD.

Most Christians were unacquainted with written Bibles anyway, until the advent of Gutenberg's printing press.

You worship a book, not God.

The scriptures NT were written, copied, copied, copied, copied, and were sent
around the world into different languages, where they were copied, copied, and
copied. Creeds were created, and the story of the Word of God became a man to
save us from our sins spread with God working through man. Jesus had He not
been the Word of God should have been swallowed up in History as a
meaningless backwater preacher, whose mother had Him out of wedlock.

That fact we know him is remarkable, and instead of Him being swallowed up by
time, the world marks time at His arrival. He was born into a culture and religion
that wasn't set up to evangelize others into it, you had to be born into it, and His
arrival flipped that so that from there, He was preached. The scriptures that were
written due to His arrival were started in a culture that had been for ages copying
OT text by hand with the greatest of care.

Most Christians even today are not acquainted with the Bible, not because they
don't have it, but because they don't read it to familiarize themselves with it. Sadly
as the saying goes, those who can read and don't, are no better off than those that
can not read.

The written word has played a part in God's plan from Moses on, it isn't the text
It's the God who inspired it through revelation that matters. People who heard and
believed the message of Jesus Christ and took it to heart, to the point they were
willing to die for that truth, not to get right with God, but because they were made
right due to God, a huge difference between them and those who fly airplanes into
buildings.

@kellyjay said
The scriptures NT were written, copied, copied, copied, copied, and were sent
around the world into different languages, where they were copied, copied, and
copied. Creeds were created, and the story of the Word of God became a man to
save us from our sins spread with God working through man. Jesus had He not
been the Word of God should have been swallowed up in History as a
meaningless backwater preacher, whose mother had Him out of wedlock.

Once again, you sound like you have not read anything about the origin of the Bible and that you are content to simply trot out a kind of twee Sunday school propaganda version that has been handed down to you.

@kellyjay said
People who heard and
believed the message of Jesus Christ and took it to heart, to the point they were
willing to die for that truth, not to get right with God, but because they were made
right due to God, a huge difference between them and those who fly airplanes into
buildings.

People being willing to die for something they assert is "the truth" about supernatural things is not evidence of supernatural causality.

@fmf said
People being willing to die for something they assert is "the truth" about supernatural things is not evidence of supernatural causality.

People being ready to die for something they believe to be true is no criterion or proof of its truth either.

@moonbus said
People being ready to die for something they believe to be true is no criterion or proof of its truth either.

People willing to die instead of recanting a lie they were telling doesn’t as a rule happen, along with they can be blessed with wealth too. Which is what we see with NT text, they did not recant.

@kellyjay said
People willing to die instead of recanting a lie they were telling doesn’t as a rule happen, along with they can be blessed with wealth too. Which is what we see with NT text, they did not recant.

What makes you say they might have thought it was a "lie"?

@kellyjay said
People willing to die instead of recanting a lie they were telling doesn’t as a rule happen.

How many adherents of Islam have died or been killed, even just in the last 500 years, rather than recant their belief in God? Did they think their beliefs were "lies"?