20 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayYou have faith in your own ignorance and it is justified.
I have faith, you are the one who claims what you believe in can
be backed up by experimental repeatable proof, and like your
facts and many of the other things you have brought out, they are
simply facts only found between your ears nothing more.
Kelly
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayMan, what wall did you fall off of?
I have faith, you are the one who claims what you believe in can
be backed up by experimental repeatable proof, and like your
facts and many of the other things you have brought out, they are
simply facts only found between your ears nothing more.
Kelly
20 Jun 05
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Originally posted by telerionOn the back of that mat is an extremely gay looking Tyrannosaur.
So here are the scanned pictures of the placemat. Enjoy!
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/front.jpg
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jmeert/back.jpg
Maybe that's why dinosaurs went extinct. They didn't follow God's rules against homosexuality and failed to breed enough to survive!
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompI'm kind of confused. I was referring to an experiment in which life was synthesized from non-life. Are you saying that such an experiment should begin where Miller and Urey began with a primitive atmosphere and end up with life?
Miller couldn't have had a big enough apparatus to produce all possible amino acids . There simply isn't a way to duplicate all the dynamics of the system. However they all should be synthesizable.
The system wasn't limited to one test tube.
A place to start is :make them and use them all. expose the batch to the fullest range of energy and include a high-voltage spark. And see what is produced.
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungNot really that. there's no need to reprove known facts.
I'm kind of confused. I was referring to an experiment in which life was synthesized from non-life. Are you saying that such an experiment should begin where Miller and Urey began with a primitive atmosphere and end up with life?
I was refering to not using and chemical compounds that that we haven't synthesized artificially.
Geneticists use material made by DNA which is not available for what you want to do.
defining life as taking in energy and using it to replicate itself'
controls are important since a positive result is certain to be closely examined.
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20 Jun 05
Originally posted by frogstompWhat do you regard as the simplest form of life?
Not really that. there's no need to reprove known facts.
I was refering to not using and chemical compounds that that we haven't synthesized artificially.
Geneticists use material made by DNA which is not available for what you want to do.
defining life as taking in energy and using it to replicate itself'
controls are important since a positive result is certain to be closely examined.
(Other than Christian fundamentalists)
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungSadly enough, these were not faked pictures. Hovind does believe that dinosaurs are still alive. He thinks T-Rex could breathe fire (so he can defend the 'dragons' in the KJV of the Bible). He really is a wacko, and a rich one at that (until the IRS finishes with him that is).
On the back of that mat is an extremely gay looking Tyrannosaur.
Maybe that's why dinosaurs went extinct. They didn't follow God's rules against homosexuality and failed to breed enough to survive!
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by telerionI had heard others talk about dinosaurs thought some others may
Sadly enough, these were [b]not faked pictures. Hovind does believe that dinosaurs are still alive. He thinks T-Rex could breathe fire (so he can defend the 'dragons' in the KJV of the Bible). He really is a wacko, and a rich one at that (until the IRS finishes with him that is).[/b]
have breathed fire, not the T-Rex. Personally, I don't know of anyone
living today who has seen one alive not breathing fire, or breathing
fire. Using the word 'wacko' because someone thinks it may have
happened is like saying anyone believing in billions of years is 'wacko'
because no one has seen billions of years either they just think it
occured.
Kelly
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayBillions of years isn't such a stretch.
I had heard others talk about dinosaurs thought some others may
have breathed fire, not the T-Rex. Personally, I don't know of anyone
living today who has seen one alive not breathing fire, or breathing
fire. Using the word 'wacko' because someone thinks it may have
happened is like saying anyone believing in billions of years is 'wacko'
because no one has seen billions of years either they just think it
occured.
Kelly
In a light-water nuclear reactor of today, the uranium fuel needs to be enriched to about 3% U235 for the fission process to happen. In the uranium we find today, the percentage of U235 is much less.
Since U235 decays at a constant, known rate, we can learn that about 2 billion years ago the percentage of U235 was about 3%. We can surmise that if there was a cave containing uranium (3%U235) 2 billion years ago, and if that cave was periodically filled with water, it might function as a naturally occuring nuclear reactor.
In fact, such caves have been found at Oklo, in Africa.
http://www.curtin.edu.au/curtin/centre/waisrc/OKLO/What/What.html
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by KellyJayThe only reason Hovind claims that T-Rex breathed fire is that he believes he needs an ad hoc excuse to justify "dragons" in the Bible.
I had heard others talk about dinosaurs thought some others may
have breathed fire, not the T-Rex. Personally, I don't know of anyone
living today who has seen one alive not breathing fire, or breathing
fire. Using the word 'wacko' because someone thinks it may have
happened is like saying anyone believing in billions of years is 'wacko'
because no one has seen billions of years either they just think it
occured.
Kelly
Even if I grant your position that an absence of proof against even a single possible dinosaur being fire-breathing, Hovind should still have to justify why he thinks that they did breathe fire. He has absolutely no empirical evidence that some dinosaurs breathe fire. Meanwhile, I'm sure that paleontologists can give numerous reasons why T-Rex could not.
I think that if he wasn't a creationist, KJ, you would never let him get away with this crap. You'd laugh with us too if he were a Raelian or a New Ager or a Mormon. It's a crime that people will let him teach his lies to their kids just because he happens to believe in the same god that they do.
Would you want him to teach your kids (when high-school/college aged) Japanese? How about Ancient Indian Literature? Economics and Psychology? For rhetorical effect I will assume that you say no to these questions. You should. He has no qualifications to teach these fields. So why would you take natural science lessons from him?
You've gotta call a con-man a crook, whether a xtian crook or a secular crook.
20 Jun 05
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Originally posted by dj2beckerprokaryotes or something similar.
What do you regard as the simplest form of life?
(Other than Christian fundamentalists)
Although I have read somewhere (forgot the sites addy) that DNA is life.
I don't require any particular outcome only that the "thing" can use chemosynthesis to replicate.
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by telerionWhere are there literal fire breathing dragons in the Bible? I found references to "dragons." I found a "fiery red dragon" in Rev 12:3 but this "dragon" spit out a river, not fire. I could not find a "literal" dragon in scripture.
The only reason Hovind claims that T-Rex breathed fire is that he believes he needs an ad hoc excuse to justify "dragons" in the Bible.