Spirituality
28 Feb 05
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by wibDid I claim to know? All I said was that when you open your legs or drop your pants, you'd better be ready for that responsbility. To murder a child for your own convenience is appalling.
So when does life begin Darfius? As soon as the sperm finds the egg? 5 minutes later? 1 day? 1 month? 3 months? When?
Enlighten me with an answer that the greatest minds in the history of our planet have been unable to find.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusYes, that's EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying you know when life begins. You're accusing a person of murder. And I ain't no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can't kill something that isn't alive.
Did I claim to know? All I said was that when you open your legs or drop your pants, you'd better be ready for that responsbility. To murder a child for your own convenience is appalling.
So when does life begin? If you're gonna accuse someone of murder you have to be able to prove that "what" they killed was actually alive at one time.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by wibWhen did that start? Oh, I remember. It was when marriage stopped being held together by a mutual love for God and started being held together by money and lust.
"Sanctity and stability of marriage"?! The divorce rate is 50% all over America. Where the heck have you been?
Probably yet another coincidence, though.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by wibOh, I didn't exactly understand the question. Yes, when the baby is conceived, 1 minute after, it's alive. I mean, if you left it alone, it would pop out of her and start screaming, right?
Yes, that's EXACTLY what you're saying. You're saying you know when life begins. You're accusing a person of murder. And I ain't no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can't kill something that isn't alive.
So when does life begin? If you're gonna accuse someone of murder you have to be able to prove that "what" they killed was actually alive at one time.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusThat's just the problem, if religion were a virus, marriage would be the delivery system. How can something like marriage be expected to hold up to the pressures of modern life? People are encouraged to marry because the church says so and often do so without being ready for what spending your life with someone actually entails. The birth of a child in such a union serves to further the faith so I the priests are happy, but where are they when the marriage breaks down? Do they take responsibility for the fact that the people weren't ready for the marriage? That they might not have been suitable for each other? No they do not. In my opinion, marriage is an outdated mode of furthering religion, nothing more. Anyone who marries and claims to do so out of love should not need a ceremony to affirm that love. If they do there is something unhealthy about their definition of love.
When did that start? Oh, I remember. It was when marriage stopped being held together by a mutual love for God and started being held together by money and lust.
Probably yet another coincidence, though.
28 Feb 05
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Originally posted by belgianfreak
And what scares me more is I now expect a handfull of people here ot throw in their support for these guys 🙁
Just curious, assume your wife (daughter, mother ect) is famous because she gave alot of money to charity. (I am trying to convey that she didn't attempt to become famous, but because of her generosity she is well known).
Now imagine your wife passes away, she was mutilated and tortured by a gang of youths.
Ok, now imagine someone decides to create a play, where your wife is depicted as a porn star/whore. Nothing could be further from the truth mind you, but someone figured it would be 'entertainment' to degrade her reputation for their motives, be it financial or simply spite. You loved your wife (as any man would love her), but it is entirely legal for these people to depict your wife in this manner. It hurts you and your children that someone would do this.
So, I am now curious, to what lengths would you go to prevent these people from continuing to degrade your wife in this manner ? You seem to lack any empathy towards Christians that oppose a mockery be made of a man they love and respect. Of course you may claim they never knew Jesus, but that is false and you are basing your opinion purely on that fact that you've never experienced God in a Christian church. Alternately you may imagine a bunch of white folk depicting Nelson Mandela as a baboon on stage. Do you believe any black person, who respects and admire this man, would be wrong, even militant fanatic, should they go to the extreme and prostest against this play ?
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28 Feb 05
Originally posted by DarfiusPerhaps I'm not being clear. Take a walk with me Darfius...
Oh, I didn't exactly understand the question. Yes, when the baby is conceived, 1 minute after, it's alive. I mean, if you left it alone, it would pop out of her and start screaming, right?
Step 1. A man and a woman have sex.
Step 2. The man eventually ejaculates semen into a woman's vagina.
Little tiny sperm guys are in the semen. They're like little fertilizer pills. Their goal is to find an egg and fertilize it. That's all they do.
Step 3. Success! One of the sperm guys hits paydirt. An egg! So in he goes.
Still with me?
Ok, so at that moment, as soon as Mr. Sperm meets Ms. Egg that's when you're saying life begins?
And IF that's what you're saying then my next question is - How do you prove it?
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarrmanWhat exactly are the pressures of modern life?
That's just the problem, if religion were a virus, marriage would be the delivery system. How can something like marriage be expected to hold up to the pressures of modern life? People are encouraged to marry because the church says so and often do so without being ready for what spending your life with someone actually entails. The birth of a child in ...[text shortened]... ny to affirm that love. If they do there is something unhealthy about their definition of love.
Marriages break down because they ALWAYS put themselves ahead of their spouses and more importantly, God.
God views marriage as holy. The Church of Christ is His bride. Marriage should be two people who love each other and love God and use that love to get through anything, TOGETHER. Too many divorces are because "I'm not happy anymore" or "You are so such and such.." Selfish. All of it.
Is it any wonder that when sin started to abound in our society, it's gone down the drain?
When God got taken out of the picture, you had sexual "revolutions" where STD's were passed around like candy, murdering babies left and right, marriages being shot to hell, rapes, murdering spouses to avoid splitting finances.
Men damn themselves when they turn away from God.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by wibI prove it by the end result 9 months later. I mean, saying abortion is OK because you're only killing "a mass of cells" is akin to saying you'd prefer if people said you killed a 4 year old instead of a 5 year old.
Perhaps I'm not being clear. Take a walk with me Darfius...
Step 1. A man and a woman have sex.
Step 2. The man eventually ejaculates semen into a woman's vagina.
Little tiny sperm guys are in the semen. They're like little fertilizer pills. Their goal is to find an egg and fertilize it. That's all they do.
Step 3. Success! One of the ...[text shortened]...
And IF that's what you're saying then my next question is - How do you prove it?
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarrmanI have to say that you are wrong on this point. There are plenty of church sponsored therapists and psychologists. I am a mormon so the one I think of is LDS Family Services. 🙂
but where are they when the marriage breaks down? Do they take responsibility for the fact that the people weren't ready for the marriage? That they might not have been suitable for each other? No they do not. .
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by pcaspianWe're not talking about shaving here bro. I'm talking about defining whether or not a woman is taking a human life when she has an abortion. And if she is taking a human life, then WHEN did it become a life?
Originally posted by wib
[b]Ok, so at that moment, as soon as Mr. Sperm meets Ms. Egg that's when you're saying life begins?
And IF that's what you're saying then my next question is - How do you prove it?
How many hairs does man have to have on his chin before we can say he has a beard ?
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That's what I'm trying to get at. Because that's the difference between murder, and a private medical procedure that's no one else's business.
28 Feb 05
Originally posted by wibPrivate medical procedure? A doctor cupping my jewels and telling me to cough is a private medical procedure, because it only affects me.
We're not talking about shaving here bro. I'm talking about defining whether or not a woman is taking a human life when she has an abortion. And if she is taking a human life, then WHEN did it become a life?
That's what I'm trying to get at. Because that's the difference between murder, and a private medical procedure that's no one else's business.
A "procedure" where a doctor goes into a woman's body and destroys what we all know will eventually be a screaming baby is murder. It affects both the woman (most go through depression afterwards) and definitely affects that future Harvard grad, wouldn't you say?
28 Feb 05
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Originally posted by PawnokeyholeYou should come and see how this Dutch tolerance has evolved into involuntary euthanasia and infanticide.
I'm glad to see the tolerance of the Dutch has rubbed off on you, Shavixmir! 🙂
EDIT: If you study the Dutch developments you can see the famous "Slippery Slope" in action, a development that doesn't exist according to abortion and euthanasia advocates.