Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not if one perceives that a bastardisation has occurred and one wishes to establish that
which has been lost, in fact, its significance can hardly be underestimated in such an
instance.

Well, yes, you perceive that "a bastardisation has occurred". That's true. So that will explain why you wouldn't want to accept that the significance [of those things you choose to place emphasis upon] can be overstated.

Originally posted by FMF
Well, yes, you perceive that "a bastardisation has occurred". That's true. So that will explain why you wouldn't want to accept that the significance [of those things you choose to place emphasis upon] can be overstated.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Funny you should mention apostasy, the Ebionites thought that Paul was an apostate.

and where is the teaching of the Ebionites this day and where is Pauls. Paul was
directly, if we are to believe the Biblical account, appointed by Christ himself, his entire
life course as a christian is outstanding in perseverance, in zeal and in knowledge.
without Paul we would not really understand how the Jewish system related to
Christianity, he explains so many concepts. 🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Interesting is that the Bible counsels that such things as fornication
should not even be mentioned among christians, let alone practised.

So you are going against the Bibles counsel?

Originally posted by twhitehead
So you are going against the Bibles counsel?

I am not speaking as one speaking among christians, I am speaking primarily to non
christians, just sayin.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and where is the teaching of the Ebionites this day and where is Pauls. Paul was
directly, if we are to believe the Biblical account, appointed by Christ himself, his entire
life course as a christian is outstanding in perseverance, in zeal and in knowledge.
without Paul we would not really understand how the Jewish system related to
Christianity, he explains so many concepts. 🙂

You appear to be demonstrating that 'history is written by the victors'.

Originally posted by FMF
You appear to be demonstrating that 'history is written by the victors'.

Perhaps, but the point is, that Paul's teaching, rather than being the teachings of an
apostate, is firmly rooted on the word of God. Even in his own time certain ones
contended that his presence was weak but his letters weighty. He was battling of
course those who sought prominence for themselves and who sought to draw away the
disciples after themselves.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Perhaps, but the point is, that Paul's teaching, rather than being the teachings of an apostate, is firmly rooted on the word of God.

So says the 'history [that] is written by the victors'. Those that lost out in the debates that marked the rise of corporate Christianity are "apostate" according to the accounts subscribed to by those who 'won' the debates.

Originally posted by FMF
So says the 'history [that] is written by the victors'. Those that lost out in the debates that marked the rise of corporate Christianity are "apostate" according to the accounts subscribed to by those who 'won' the debates.

not really, the Arians lost out in the debates at the Council of Nicaea, yet their doctrines were essentially Biblically based.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not really, the Arians lost out in the debates at the Council of Nicaea, yet their doctrines were essentially Biblically based.

This is just evidence that among the "Christianities" that Proper Knob mentioned there were those that "lost" despite being arguably "right". The Arians did not get to control the framing of the history of the early church.

Originally posted by FMF
This is just evidence that among the "Christianities" that Proper Knob mentioned there were those that "lost" despite being arguably "right". The Arians did not get to control the framing of the history of the early church.

I doubt those Christians whom he mentioned as having orgies could claim much scriptural backing for their faith.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I doubt those Christians whom he mentioned as having orgies could claim much scriptural backing for their faith.

I am not talking about Proper Knob's remark about groups who practiced ritual group sex.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not talking about Proper Knob's remark about groups who practiced ritual group sex.

so which groups were you referring to? one is not a mind reader you know.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so which groups were you referring to? one is not a mind reader you know.

The various of "Christianites" that "lost" in the process of corporate Christianity being established.

Originally posted by FMF
The various of "Christianites" that "lost" in the process of corporate Christianity being established.

when was corporate Christianity established?