Originally posted by serigadoI think it's that rather distasteful and faintly disturbing "spilling the seed" reference that is at the root of it.
I don't understand... it doesn't say anything about condoms in the bible... so why are catholics against it?
And why is there a pope to tell you what to do? Where does it say in the bible?
Originally posted by WheelyThe whole idea of condoms is to avoid spilling any seeds. In that sense, they are like bird feeders. St. Francis of Assisi was a bird feeder. I don't see what the problem is.
I think it's that rather distasteful and faintly disturbing "spilling the seed" reference that is at the root of it.
Originally posted by WheelyThecontext of that reference is that God does not want married men to masturbate, but rather they be intimate with their wives. From a psycological point of view, it might make perfect sense. If a man spends more time choking his chicken and fantasizing about other women, the less likely he will find pleasure with his wife. Physical intimacy is essential to a healthy relationship, it involves both partners to be trusting and vulnerable at the same time. That trust and vulnerability will lead to better communication outside of the bedroom.
I think it's that rather distasteful and faintly disturbing "spilling the seed" reference that is at the root of it.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by duecerCatholics have always taken the "breed them out" strategy to global conversion.
Thecontext of that reference is that God does not want married men to masturbate, but rather they be intimate with their wives. From a psycological point of view, it might make perfect sense. If a man spends more time choking his chicken and fantasizing about other women, the less likely he will find pleasure with his wife. Physical intimacy is essential to a ...[text shortened]... t and vulnerability will lead to better communication outside of the bedroom.
Just a thought.
And your psychology is way off.
Ask your local therapist if masturbation is unhealthy.
And we wonder why there's lots of sexual deviance in England and the US. A foundation of repression? What?
i]Originally posted by mdhall[/i]Not my psycology by the way, rather a different view. Sexual deviancey has nothing to do with the amount of masturbation one performs, or does not. Deviancey is defined by societal norms. What may be appropriate in one society, may not be in another. Certainly there is a lot to be said for opening up( US and British) dialogue on sex, and our "hangups" about sex.
Catholics have always taken the "breed them out" strategy to global conversion.
And your psychology is way off.
Ask your local therapist if masturbation is unhealthy.
And we wonder why there's lots of sexual deviance in England and the US. A foundation of repression? What?
Edit: I reassert however my point on physical intimacey being important to a healthy relationship
Originally posted by duecerThe link is between sexual repression and sexual deviancy...
Not my psycology by the way, rather a different view. Sexual deviancey has nothing to do with the amount of masturbation one performs, or does not. Deviancey is defined by societal norms. What may be appropriate in one society, may not be in another. Certainly there is a lot to be said for opening up( US and British) dialogue on sex, and our "hangups" about s ...[text shortened]... t: I reassert however my point on physical intimacey being important to a healthy relationship
Hangups about masturbation link to sexual repression.
Deviancy is not just about social norms either. Eating other people's feces and being sexually aroused isn't just outside the norm.
Originally posted by duecer
Thecontext of that reference is that God does not want married men to masturbate, but rather they be intimate with their wives.
But, in this day and age when women are not chattel, what if the wife
doesn't want to be intimate with their husbands on a particular evening
or series of evenings? Or a circumstance because of distance, illness,
injury, recent childbirth, or other legitimately mitigating factor? Do
you still oppose masturbation?
From a psycological point of view, it might make perfect sense. If a man spends more time choking his chicken and fantasizing about other women, the less likely he will find pleasure with his wife.
What about masturbating and thinking about your wife rather than turning
to your 'spank bank,' then? Is this okay?
Physical intimacy is essential to a healthy relationship, it involves both partners to be trusting and vulnerable at the same time. That trust and vulnerability will lead to better communication outside of the bedroom.
Absolutely. And individuals in a healthy relationship recognize that
mutually-pleasing sexual activity is not always possible or desirable, and
such individuals will be sexually unchallenged to know that their partners
occasionally masturbate.
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