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@secondson saidI really don’t care what you think. Really. Go take it to those on your church who are interested in your blurts.
I think you must be afraid they may be right.
@secondson saidI really don’t care what you think. Really. Go take it to those on your church who are interested in your blurts.
I think you must be afraid they may be right.
@divegeester saidTalk about hubris!! Since when do you stay on topic?
Please take your hubris to a new thread. This thread is about the content of the OP.
@divegeester saidNo assurance dive?
I really don’t care what you think. Really. Go take it to those on your church who are interested in your blurts.
@divegeester saidYou seem to want me to be. Sorry to disappoint you.
You seem upset.
@divegeester saidSo are my posts. Evidently I struck a nerve.
This thread is about the content of the OP.
Sonship, for three years I’ve been asking you if I have to believe in the trinity doctrine to be saved and for three years you have been refusing to give me a straight yes or no answer, because you claim that there isn’t one. I’ve told you for three years that I don’t believe you.
That if you confess with your mouth, Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness and with the mouth man confesses unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9,10)
Here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:
”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God;
"That if you confess with your mouth, Lord Jesus, and believe in you heart that God has raised HIm from among the dead, you shall be saved."
that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.”
@sonship saidSonship, do you agree with the statement of belief from your church’s website which I’ve posted in my OP?
@divegeester
Is there something here that should cause me alarm Divegeester ? Let's go through it.
[quote] Sonship, for three years I’ve been asking you if I have to believe in the trinity doctrine to be saved and for three years you have been refusing to give me a straight yes or no answer, because you claim that there isn’t one. I’ve told you for three years that ...[text shortened]... rspace written by the co-workers. That this particular one was not cut and pasted is not big issue.
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation
There it is in unequivocal black and white text. So why is it so hard for you to copy/paste this text and justify it when I’ve been asking you for clarity for three years?!
Our Hope
The local churches hope that as many as are ordained by God to eternal life will believe in the Lord Jesus. The local churches hope that all regenerated Christians will seek the growth in life, not the mere increase of knowledge. The local churches hope that all seeking Christians will see the …
Of course I don’t believe in the trinity doctrine and therefore you cannot classify me as Christian and therefore I will burn in Hell with the rest Of the unbelievers.
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
Perhaps you were right to be ashamed of this.
@sonship saidSonship, do you agree with the statement of belief from your church’s website which I’ve posted in my OP?
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation
There it is in unequivocal black and white text. So why is it so hard for you to copy/paste this text and justify it when I’ve been asking you for clarity for three years?!
Would you like me to cut and paste from this book specifically.
Okay, with a comment or two.
[quote] Our Hope
The l ...[text shortened]... rspace written by the co-workers. That this particular one was not cut and pasted is not big issue.
Concerning Salvation
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
@sonship saidSimple question Sonship, do you agree with the statement of belief from your church’s website which I’ve posted in my OP?
@divegeester
I agree. I don't exploit it the way I think you do to make your points.
Once again from the very same book In the section entitled Concerning Salvation -
Concerning Salvation
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer an ...[text shortened]... saved, we are saved forever.
That's what I have been writing here for years. Right?
Concerning Salvation
In order to be saved, one must have a living contact with Jesus Christ. Therefore, in bringing unbelievers to salvation, we emphasize prayer and calling on the name of the Lord. According to Romans 10:9 and 10, if a man is to be saved, he must believe in his heart and confess with his mouth.
Once a person has been saved, he may have both the assurance of salvation and the security of salvation. Once we are saved, we are saved forever.
@sonship saidIf someone rejects your "Triune God" ideology, is that person's "salvation" not possible as your group's website clearly suggests?
You see Divegeester has tried to make assurance of salvation a mental issue of whether someone agrees with Jack or not.
Notice the phrase "living contact".
You can have disagreements with other Christians about the Trinity yet have a living contact with the living Person of Christ.
So my replies have been cautious and qualified in the spirit of what was writt ...[text shortened]... ongs to hear me say is - "Disagree with sonship ??? You burn in hell."
A strange fancy indeed.