22 Oct '07 04:02>
Originally posted by telerion"3. As far as my beliefs not constitute knowledge, I by faith walk out
[b]If you want to say what you
cannot prove beyond all doubt is still a fact, do so but know
you are absolutely wrong in doing so.
Kelly
Can you prove that beyond all doubt? Man, you're so full inconsistencies.[/b]
my beliefs because I believe them to be true, I put my trust in them
and act accordingly as if they were proved to me and I have to say
that even there all of us have some level of skepticism about even
our own beliefs too, but our confidence levels may vary on the topics
we have beliefs about. We can as you seem to want to do try to find
the absurd level of examples to make a point, I do that as well. At
some level we have to stop and take things as they are because
almost with all things we can do that dance. If I ask you if a particular
rock has moved in a hundred years and we have photos that show it
in the same place not moving, and we know the size and the shape
making only huge earth moving equipment or a bomb could do it,
and all the eye witnesses for generations all tell the same story that
they have never seen the rock move, did it? If may we say no it
hasn’t, but if we acknowledge it has both could be true depending on
how far you wanted to look at it! The rock may not have moved from
that spot, but that spot on the earth has been moving with the earth
for as long as it has been there, so we can still argue the point,
adnausem (sp).
Kelly
"
I've put forward this in my first attempt to answer the question.
I'm sure no matter what I put forward there is going to be, what
if your dreaming, or what if X or Y. Fine, it is what it is, just like
my saying at some level what I'm holding in my hand is not a
matter of faith for me, I don't have to want it or desire it if I have
it. Yet, can we say the same thing about what we think is true when
it comes to things I don't have, such as missing piece of data that
helps define something? Unlike what I'm holding in my hand if it
is lacking something I may or may not be aware of it, if that
something is something I can look for an find, i can say I have
it or not, if it is something I cannot look for and find, well I will
not really know will I?
Kelly