Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
My arrogance sir is firmly based on my certainty of His non-existence. I am just as arrogantly certain that there is absolutely no celery in my fridge. (Long story).

Sounds like you're "living for giving the devil his due".
Be careful Ghost.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Sounds like you're "living for giving the devil his due".
Be careful Ghost.

Oh, he doesn't exist either.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Isn't it disturbing to think that using our free will to try to do good works could be for nothing, because God chose us for hell even before our birth?

No, he didn't. We all have choice. Free will. Surely, you've heard of it. God-become-man-in-the-flesh, the man Jesus of Nazareth, conquered death for us. We become righteous through him, he has interceded for us.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
My arrogance sir is firmly based on my certainty of His non-existence. I am just as arrogantly certain that there is absolutely no celery in my fridge. (Long story).

Are you as certain that the cat in the box is dead or alive?

Yes, both states exist, until you open the box and observe it.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
My arrogance sir is firmly based on my certainty of His non-existence. I am just as arrogantly certain that there is absolutely no celery in my fridge. (Long story).

how will though create the lords broth without celery, it is part of soups holy trinity COC celery,onions & carrots. ps the cat in the box is dead ...really dead I buried it two months ago.

Originally posted by @suzianne
No, he didn't. We all have choice. Free will. Surely, you've heard of it. God-become-man-in-the-flesh, the man Jesus of Nazareth, conquered death for us. We become righteous through him, he has interceded for us.

You obviously didn't read the OP.
I addressed free will, "the elect", and "reprobate".
God's predetermined plan may outrank our free will. It may not matter what we do.

Originally posted by @chaney3
You obviously didn't read the OP.
I addressed free will, "the elect", and "reprobate".
God's predetermined plan may outrank our free will. It may not matter what we do.

But it does matter.

Haven't you ready any of the NT?

Originally posted by @suzianne
But it does matter.

Haven't you ready any of the NT?

That's twice now that you've ignored "the elect" and "reprobate".
Can you please post your opinion about those, before doing what most people do:

Ignore every part of the Bible, except Jesus. There was a God before Jesus.....remember Him? He said some things too.

Originally posted by @chaney3
That's twice now that you've ignored "the elect" and "reprobate".
Can you please post your opinion about those, before doing what most people do:

Ignore every part of the Bible, except Jesus. There was a God before Jesus.....remember Him? He said some things too.

'There was a God before Jesus...'


Ah, but was there?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'There was a God before Jesus...'


Ah, but was there?

Well, arrogance didn't create itself, right?
There ya go.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Well, arrogance didn't create itself, right?
There ya go.

'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'


(Arrogance not required. Just study).

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'


(Arrogance not required. Just study).

Study, but not belief.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'


(Arrogance not required. Just study).

By the way, what was the purpose of the quoted scripture?

Originally posted by @chaney3
By the way, what was the purpose of the quoted scripture?

'In the beginning was the Word.'

Who was 'the Word' Chaney?!


(Here's a clue, 'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...' John 1:14)

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'In the beginning was the Word.'

Who as 'the Word' Chaney?!


(Here's a clue, 'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...' John 1:14)

I'm well aware of the verse.
Why don't you believe it? That's what I meant.