15 Jul 13
Originally posted by RJHindsWhy do you think the only form of authority is moral authority?
Proof that the belief in a moral authority, like God, is not relevant to evilution theory.
Would we have had all those fake missing link claims for ape to human, if they had really believed in a moral authority, like the God of the Holy Bible, that condemned liars? Would we have had all those fake drawings of the ape changing to the caveman and the fish ...[text shortened]... hat there are not many more liars trying to push off their evilutionary ideas?
The Instructor
15 Jul 13
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Originally posted by RJHindsThat is delusional. We don't need any god to tell us the difference between right and wrong -we can judge that for ourselves just fine thank you. Thus we do not need any kind of god for moral authority.
We need the one and only God that is good as moral authority.
The Instructor
True morality comes from love, compassion, sympathy and a sense of fairness and not from a belief that there exists a god nor from religion nor superstition.
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
15 Jul 13
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraIf you believe the fact that bacterial flagella evolved, you are obviously immoral because you obviously don't have moral authority specifically from one god and with no other gods existing. And you will be punished in a hell in an afterlife for having that rational belief from that only god because he is infinitely kind and loving and wise and thus you will make him very angry if you show your disbelief that this invisible god exists by having such a rational belief that bacterial flagella evolved.
What does this have to do with bacterial flagella again?
(Mental health warning! don't try and make any sense of any of that!
self-lobotomy required to make sense of any of that! )
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by RJHindsThe authority that scientists take is that they can produce repeatable experiments, where experiment includes passive observation (for example the light spectra of supernovae). There are also appeals to authority (Newton says...), but not of a moral nature and certainly not mystical. Why do you regard scientific facts (one type of knowledge) as being contradictory to religious wisdom (a disjoint field from science)?
I do not think that.
The Instructor
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by humyThis is spirituality forum stuff.
That is delusional. We don't need any god to tell us the difference between right and wrong -we can judge that for ourselves just fine thank you. Thus we do not need any kind of god for moral authority.
True morality comes from love, compassion, sympathy and a sense of fairness and not from a belief that there exists a god nor from religion nor superstition. ...[text shortened]... ."
- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by humyYou just have to pretend that the Bacterial Flagella is not designed, but just a product of random chance, otherwise your worldview would be turned upside down and you would see that you are in a heap of trouble.
Yes, I know. So is "Bacterial Flagella: A Paradigm for Design" except I don't pretend moral stuff belongs here.
The Instructor
16 Jul 13
Originally posted by RJHinds
You just have to pretend that the Bacterial Flagella is not designed, but just a product of random chance, otherwise your worldview would be turned upside down and you would see that you are in a heap of trouble.
The Instructor
but just a product of random chance,
No, evolution does not say it is “just a product of random chance, “ but rather that is is a result of mutations and natural selection and natural selection is NOT purely random but has a limited degree of predictability because it is probabilistic.
Originally posted by humyWhat could it have possible mutated from that it could be randomly selected or naturally selected?but just a product of random chance,
No, evolution does not say it is “just a product of random chance, “ but rather that is is a result of mutations and natural selection and natural selection is NOT purely random but has a limited degree of predictability because it is probabilistic.
The Instructor
