04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRace is a huge issue for ignorant human beings anywhere not just the US
I have never really desired to go to America, Canada yes, but not America, except maybe to see the South. Georgia, Louisiana and Texas. Race is a huge issue, you cannot deny it.
Manny
04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy do you want to see the South? If you have an aversion to racism, that's an area to avoid.
I have never really desired to go to America, Canada yes, but not America, except maybe to see the South. Georgia, Louisiana and Texas. Race is a huge issue, you cannot deny it.
04 May 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI want to see the south because its meant to be beautiful, i picture myself on a
Why do you want to see the South? If you have an aversion to racism, that's an area to avoid.
Mississippi river boat chuggling on down to New Orleans, playing chess and drawing
French foils with any man that might slight the character! Ladies with bonnets and
flowing frocks, an calling people sir and mam, awesome! It all started after i read
Huckleberry Finn. I even built a raft and nearly drowned on a river near my home.
Had a secret Island and everything.
04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou've missed my point, i'll try better to explain.
they have voices, they could have openly acknowledged the atrocities, can you find
one reference from those Christians that have done so, no neither can I, all they have
done is either evade it or try to justify it. Your holocaust reference therefore makes
absolutely no sense, for these are crimes are not against a particular people, but
hum ...[text shortened]... as a whole, whether they are American, German or any other nationality are guilty of
atrocity.
You seemed to be insinuating that all American Christians are 'guilty by association' as they 'inherited the legacy' of the atrocities you mentioned unless you actually hear/read them condemning these acts. If we take this same logic and apply it to Germany today it would therefore follow that you think all Germans are 'guilty by association' as they 'inherited the legacy' of their forefathers, until you actually hear/read them condemn the atrocities.
04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you still contend Manny is a racist, or would you like to retract that allegation?
I want to see the south because its meant to be beautiful, i picture myself on a
Mississippi river boat chuggling on down to New Orleans, playing chess and drawing
French foils with any man that might slight the character! Ladies with bonnets and
flowing frocks, an calling people sir and mam, awesome! It all started after i read
Huckleberry ...[text shortened]... built a raft and nearly drowned on a river near my home.
Had a secret Island and everything.
04 May 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieKnowing that, maybe you should go. Anything that might help nudge you toward reality can only help.
I want to see the south because its meant to be beautiful, i picture myself on a
Mississippi river boat chuggling on down to New Orleans, playing chess and drawing
French foils with any man that might slight the character! Ladies with bonnets and
flowing frocks, an calling people sir and mam, awesome! It all started after i read
Huckleberry ...[text shortened]... built a raft and nearly drowned on a river near my home.
Had a secret Island and everything.
04 May 11
Originally posted by Proper Knobno not all Germans did, not all were Nazis were they? But all were Christians!
You've missed my point, i'll try better to explain.
You seemed to be insinuating that all American Christians are 'guilty by association' as they 'inherited the legacy' of the atrocities you mentioned unless you actually hear/read them condemning these acts. If we take this same logic and apply it to Germany today it would therefore follow that you th ...[text shortened]... egacy' of their forefathers, until you actually hear/read them condemn the atrocities.
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04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiecoming from a supporter of the catholic church, an organisation that is responsible for the death of literally millions of innocents, not to mention emotionally scarring for life innocent children at the hands of paedophile priests, i dont think you have a leg to
coming from a supporter of the catholic church, an organisation that is responsible for
the death of literally millions of innocents, not to mention emotionally scarring for life
innocent children at the hands of paedophile priests, i dont think you have a leg to
stand upon. By their fruits you will recognise those men, and the fruit-age of
Catholicism is there for all to see.
stand upon. By their fruits you will recognise those men, and the fruit-age of Catholicism is there for all to see.
Well, I personally believe the Catholic Church does a great deal of good in society. I say the same of Anglicans too. The point here is not in comparing one religion to another and deciding which is the best. That is your fetish. The point is just that you can hardly call your religion morally perfect. I am just not interested in arbitrating a moral contest between religions.
04 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI do not reconcile these atrocities with my faith. The fact that these were perpetrated by people who call themselves Christian is fairly coincidental. I do not know if Chivington repented these sins before his death, but if he did not, then he's getting a surprise come Judgment Day. There are people who commit heinous sins in every religion. You cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater.
can i ask you if its not too personal, if it is pm me, but how do you reconcile these
atrocities with your Christian faith, for to be sure they were perpetrated by Christians
against innocent people. I may also like to say that it has been a life ambition to meet
a native American, ever since i was a kid i watched grizzly Adams and i would lov ...[text shortened]... ctive. They have even some publications
in the language. Maybe the G-man would know better.
As to your Native American fantasy, it's clearly that. Most Native Americans today have no clue what a paradise this country was before the white man came. Sure, there are the stories handed down, but these have no relevance to today's Native American youth. Alcoholism, diabetes and poverty are rampant in the Native American population, especially on the reservations. In boys, anger management issues are common, landing many in jail for the first time by age 16. Just as common in the girls is pregnancy, with many having multiple children before age 20. It's not pretty, and I haven't seen a good story on the problem anywhere in the media for at least the last 10 years.
05 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI am saying you have more in common with the accuser of Church than you
sides?, sides?, what are you talking about, how dare you try to justify what went on
there and to diminish it as if it were an ordinary thing, genocide is genocide regardless
of who perpetrates it. I want to remove myself as far away from the churches of
Christendom as you can imagine. Forgiveness is there for those who were involved, it
hardly diminishes the atrocity as you are now trying to claim.
do the Redeemer of it with this thread. Nowhere did I justify genocide, what I
pointed out to you was that even genocide is no excuse to avoid giving those
that did the crime mercy and grace. Those people are offering grace and love
to those that killed their family members, they take food and clothes to those
in prison who were convicted of killing their family members. Those people
are going to stand in judgment of people like you who fill themselves with
self-righteousness and instead of offering grace offer condemnation to others
when you also have sins you need forgiven for.
Kelly
