05 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiei shall simply state again, its use is not prohibited in our sacred text
no problem with the source only with the opinions, therefore rather than get into a fruitless and prolonged debate on the benefits or otherwise, i shall simply state again, its use is not prohibited in our sacred text. We do not allow recreational drugs, i have sidestepped no issues. Now what else can i help you with? and be brief for i have a meeting to attend in an hour.
How dishonest. As you've already pointed out: neither are cigarettes. Your arguments rests on whether or not alcohol "defiles" the body.
You don't believe the opinions here?:
The list of health risks mentioned above is by no means exhaustive. In 2004 an article in Nature magazine pointed out that “even small amounts of alcohol increase the risk of injury and boost the chances of developing about 60 diseases.”
That's interesting considering the source:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/20051008/article_02.htm
Evidently you don't agree with EVERYTHING the Watchtower says.
The Watchtower cites where "even small amounts of alcohol" defile the body.
We do not allow other recreational drugs, i have sidestepped no issues.
How dishonest. Until now, you've side-stepped the issue of recreational drugs. Even now, you're side-stepping the question of why JWs don't allow other recreational drugs. You've also side-stepped the issue of life being "sacred" to you. You've also declined to state the source of your article.
05 Oct 10
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneumm actually cigarettes are prohibited for as i mentioned there are a number of Biblical principles that come in to play, but it would take a discerning mind to reason on them, of which to be perfectly honest, i doubt you could.
[b] i shall simply state again, its use is not prohibited in our sacred text
How dishonest. As you've already pointed out: neither are cigarettes. Your arguments rests on whether or not alcohol "defiles" the body.
You don't believe the opinions here?:
[quote]The list of health risks mentioned above is by no means exhaustive. In 2004 an article being "sacred" to you. You've also declined to state the source of your article.[/b]
Secondly i am not dishonest and i resent your defamation of character, which is nothing more than slander. The watchtower is talking of the abuse of alcohol, you did notice that did you not? or perhaps you like to misrepresent the actual truth of the matter? who can say.
However due to your slanderous remarks, ill informed opinions and baseless accusations, i have nothing more to say to you, have a good day. If you are genuinely interested you may find our core beliefs at our official website www.watchtower.org for i have a zillion better things to do that get involved in a fruitless debate with you, i hope you understand. You may of course have recourse to the obligatory, liar, dishonest, false prophet, you know the usual, as i stated i have better things to do.
05 Oct 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe watchtower is talking of the abuse of alcohol. You may wish to find an English translation and it would become obvious.
umm actually cigarettes are prohibited for as i mentioned there are a number of Biblical principles that come in to play, but it would take a discerning mind to reason on them, of which to be perfectly honest, i doubt you could.
Secondly i am not dishonest and i resent your defamation of character, which is nothing more than slander. The watcht ...[text shortened]... informed opinions and baseless accusations, i have nothing more to sat to you, have a good day.
Yet more dishonesty. The article I cited IS in English. While the Watchtower article was on abuse of alcohol on the whole, it doesn't change the fact that it clearly states the following:
The list of health risks mentioned above is by no means exhaustive. In 2004 an article in Nature magazine pointed out that “even small amounts of alcohol increase the risk of injury and boost the chances of developing about 60 diseases.”
So your argument about alcohol not defiling the body falls to this. Clearly "even small amounts" defile the body. Your throwing a hissy fit rather than acknowledge this is yet another dishonest tactic.
Secondly i am not dishonest and i resent your defamation of character, which is nothing more than slander.
You can go into your usual song and dance about "slander", but it does nothing to change the facts. Your calling it "slander" is dishonest in and of itself. I've already documented your dishonesty here and other places many times over. For example on the "Truth .. JW Style" thread you tell a blatant lie as I show on Page 40.
05 Oct 10
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOnei am not throwing a fit or anything of the sort, if you want to genuinely discuss a persons beliefs you do not begin by calling them a liar, you are what is known in the trade as a 'time waster', let is serve as a lesson to you.
[b]The watchtower is talking of the abuse of alcohol. You may wish to find an English translation and it would become obvious.
Yet more dishonesty. The article I cited IS in English. While the Watchtower article was on abuse of alcohol on the whole, it doesn't change the fact that it clearly states the following:
[quote]The list of health risks m example on the "Truth .. JW Style" thread you tell a blatant lie as I show on Page 40.[/b]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI didn't "begin by calling [you] a liar". Your lying is what earned you that. Your continual use of dishonest tactics earn you the recognition of being a dishonest person. If you were a person of truth or represented an organization of truth, you wouldn't resort to such tactics. But you aren't a person of truth, nor do you represent an organization of truth. You are what you are. You don't even have the moral character to admit it.
i am not throwing a fit or anything of the sort, if you want to genuinely discuss a persons beliefs you do not begin by calling them a liar, you are what is known in the trade as a 'time waster', let is serve as a lesson to you.
05 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHehe😀 Classy quoting there....
wow kissy kissy Karoly Poly! man what a suck up that dude is! If hes not kissing Fabians butt, 'oh Fabian your posts are so much nicer than Robbies', hes kissing Caissad4s, 'oh your such a wonderful lady Caissad4!', 'winner of the most tournaments ever, kissy kissy'. Karoly Poly should enter a straw tournament, he's bound to win, Golden straw of the year ward!
05 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt was an example.
vegetarianism is a matter of conscience. In the case of alcohol, its use is not prohibited in scripture, in the case of smoking tobacco, clearly it is a defilement of flesh and thus prohibited, not only that, it harms other persons as well through second hand inhalation, one can hardly be loving ones neighbour as themselves while harming them at the same time. What this has to do with an atheist state i really do not know.
BTW an " athiest state" is what? I thought governments were better if they gave greater tolerance and freedom to the peoples. I dont think it has anything to do with god.
05 Oct 10
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Originally posted by karoly aczeli suppose an Atheistic state must be a state where Atheism is the default position, as in Albania prior to the fall of communism.
It was an example.
BTW an " athiest state" is what? I thought governments were better if they gave greater tolerance and freedom to the peoples. I dont think it has anything to do with god.
The Socialist People's Republic of Albania under Enver Hoxha went so far as to officially ban the practice of every religion.
wikipedia
05 Oct 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelbah! humbug! all i can say Karoly is that the Aussies better give them pommies a whuppin in the forthcoming Ashes tests for you to redeem yourself in my eyes!
That wasn't sucking up. I pay comliments now and then but I dont suck up.
Dont these smileys work on your screen? 😀😀🙂
06 Oct 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDone and done!! There will be English tears filling our goblets before the summer is out!
bah! humbug! all i can say Karoly is that the Aussies better give them pommies a whuppin in the forthcoming Ashes tests for you to redeem yourself in my eyes!
We will rejoice and the poms will go back home scratching their heads.
In fact I will even attend the first test in Brisbane come November, and the aussies always win when I attend😏
06 Oct 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelah how reassuring, there is nothing sweeter than the sound of an Aussie ball on an English wicket, may the force be with you!
Done and done!! There will be English tears filling our goblets before the summer is out!
We will rejoice and the poms will go back home scratching their heads.
In fact I will even attend the first test in Brisbane come November, and the aussies always win when I attend😏