27 Mar 10
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiehe he... please, Robbie, don't.. with all due respect, but religion has very little to do with spirituality... by reading your posts, I never thought of you being 'spiritual', not for a second, only religious and very hard line for that matter...which is fine, nothing personal, of course..just my observation.. (and we can choose whatever title we find fit) I'd go and say, that this forum, despite its name, has very little to do with spirituality per se. all these Catholic cliches, dogmatic Catholic/JW stances, quotes and verses from the Bible etc etc.. is it spirituality, huh !? gimme a break..
why dont you say 'spiritual'? I am interested in spirituality? it seems to cover everything.
27 Mar 10
Originally posted by RenarsThe problem that one faces and which is quite pernicious to the discussion of spirituality is that in the case of citing biblical passages, one inevitably ends up in a doctrinal battle, the result being that a 'war of attrition', takes place as one premise after another needs to be addressed and taken care of. What is one supposed to do, it is rude to simply ignore another who has taken the time and effort to post something in reply to a statement that one has made and these discussions sometimes become very involved. I have tried once or twice to try to discuss a spiritual aspect, say a quality like kindness, which lasts for about two seconds for no one has anything to fight about.
he he... please, Robbie, don't.. with all due respect, but religion has very little to do with spirituality... by reading your posts, I never thought of you being 'spiritual', not for a second, only religious and very hard line for that matter...which is fine, nothing personal, of course..just my observation.. (and we can choose whatever title we find fit) I ...[text shortened]... ances, quotes and verses from the Bible etc etc.. is it spirituality, huh !? gimme a break..
I feel in my case that your criticism is a little, not completely, just a little unwarranted, for i have discussed spirituality in chess, well tried to anyway, or the role of meditation, in a biblical context, again rather unsuccessfully, the exercise of conscience and its implications, again not very successfully. I admit however that its not always possible to see ourselves as others see us and your assertions may indeed be warranted 🙂
05 Apr 10
Originally posted by KellyJayExactly. That is one reason why atheism should not be seen as a religion or belief.
I get it, an atheist cannot define itself without theist. 🙂
Kelly
Don't make the mistake of thinking atheists are defined by their atheism. That would be like saying Orange Juice is defined by its being a non-alcoholic drink.
05 Apr 10
Originally posted by twhiteheadReally, I see it as the other way around. It is a belief system that requires
Exactly. That is one reason why atheism should not be seen as a religion or belief.
Don't make the mistake of thinking atheists are defined by their atheism. That would be like saying Orange Juice is defined by its being a non-alcoholic drink.
another to even exist. Reality either does have God, gods, or none at all so
the beliefs surrounding all the possible realities are what we are talking
about when we discuss atheist and theist.
Kelly
05 Apr 10
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes, but that would ruin the alliteration. 😉
Atheism is non-theism.
Also, I use non-theist to distinguish between a particular kind of non-dualism (e.g., Taoism) and what might be the more conventional association of “atheist” with something like penguin’s secular humanism. But that’s just my own personal way of expressing it.
There are non-dualistic expressions that seem to me more theistic, e.g. pantheism. Some people seem to treat non-dualism, monism and pantheism as synonymous, but I don't.
05 Apr 10
Originally posted by KellyJayBy non-supernaturalist I just mean that I do not admit any kind of supernatural category. Whatever is, is natural, part of nature.
A lot of "non.." so your are a what, material-only-ist nonspirtualist?
Kelly
🙂
There are many things that we do not know; there may be many things that we cannot know—the “grammar of our consciousness” may not be sufficient to ultimately decipher the whole of the larger “syntax of the universe”. But I see no reason to bring in the supernatural to fill the gaps.