Alternatives to Evolution

Originally posted by KellyJay
So is the Bible, there are real things within in it too, if you want to
go that route, and there are things in the Bible that must be
believed they cannot be proven. So there isn't a difference if you
want to say there are some facts within the books and other things
that must be accepted as true, yet cannot be proven only believed.
Kelly

The Bible can't even agree with itself Kelly.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
The Bible can't even agree with itself Kelly.

Life is like that, I'd be willing to bet that many of the books we look
at can have that problem from time to time, even if they really do
not disagree with itself, it doesn't mean our thinking would lead us to
believe that is the case.
Kelly

Originally posted by Halitose
ROTFL. Give ten examples please (possibly with their peer reviewed postulations of how this clear violation of the thermodynamic and matter-conservation laws occurred).

Do not ask for the true believers to state their beliefs, just ask for the
evidence. Something from nothing, I'd like to see that, can I get an
example? I mean if we can get a universe from nothing, doesn't
seem like it would be a big deal for a small example of something
from nothing unless this is just plain and simple a matter of faith.
Kelly

Originally posted by Halitose
ROTFL. Give ten examples please (possibly with their peer reviewed postulations of how this clear violation of the thermodynamic and matter-conservation laws occurred).

IDIOT!!! Fallen into trap number 1. The laws of thermodynamics only apply within the universe. 😞

Originally posted by KellyJay
So is the Bible, there are real things within in it too, if you want to
go that route, and there are things in the Bible that must be
believed they cannot be proven. So there isn't a difference if you
want to say there are some facts within the books and other things
that must be accepted as true, yet cannot be proven only believed.
Kelly

So you are saying that Genesis 1 is based on evidence?

Originally posted by Halitose
ROTFL. Give ten examples please (possibly with their peer reviewed postulations of how this clear violation of the thermodynamic and matter-conservation laws occurred).

As I have said before (-1)+ (+1) =0.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Life is like that, I'd be willing to bet that many of the books we look
at can have that problem from time to time, even if they really do
not disagree with itself, it doesn't mean our thinking would lead us to
believe that is the case.
Kelly

Find a case of the Origin of Species contradicting itself.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
So you are saying that Genesis 1 is based on evidence?

Did you see me saying anything about Genesis 1 in my post, maybe
like evidence you think you have, you are yourself reading into
something that isn't there? Would you like to discuss my views on
Genesis 1 we can, then I will say what I mean and you will not have to
guess and assume you know.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Something from nothing, I'd like to see that, can I get an
example?

Either you believe that God came from nothing (something from nothing),
or you believe that God is uncreated.

How is it, then, that you can logically object to a scientist's belief that
the either the universe came from nothing or that the universe is
uncreated?

Nemesio

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Find a case of the Origin of Species contradicting itself.

If I bring one to your attention what will that do for you?
Kelly

Originally posted by Nemesio
Either you believe that God came from nothing (something from nothing),
or you believe that God is uncreated.

How is it, then, that you can logically object to a scientist's belief that
the either the universe came from nothing or that the universe is
uncreated?

Nemesio

I don't have problem one for a scientist's belief that the universe
came from nothing, or that it has been around forever. I just think
that they need to be honest about what they have, and that is a
'belief' they can say they get it from what they see in the here and
now, but it is still a matter of faith and nothing more.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't have problem one for a scientist's belief that the universe
came from nothing, or that it has been around forever. I just think
that they need to be honest about what they have, and that is a
'belief' they can say they get it from what they see in the here and
now, but it is still a matter of faith and nothing more.
Kelly

On this issue -- that the universe is either uncreated or came
from nothing -- I agree that the scientist must concede that s/he has
faith indistinguishable from a theist or must profess agnosticism.

That does not extend to the whole of science, however, where
one must have 'faith' that gravity will be present tomorrow, or that
the radioactive decay of an unstable isotope has a consistent trajectory,
or that the speed of light has remained constant.

Nemesio

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do not ask for the true believers to state their beliefs, just ask for the
evidence. Something from nothing, I'd like to see that, can I get an
example? I mean if we can get a universe from nothing, doesn't
seem like it would be a big deal for a small example of something
from nothing unless this is just plain and simple a matter of faith.
Kelly

How about "we don't really know so we're not going to pretend that we do"?

Originally posted by KellyJay
If I bring one to your attention what will that do for you?
Kelly

You claimed that most books contradict themselves at some point and that makes it ok for the Bible to do so. I asked for an example in a particular book that is relevant to the topic at hand. I'll give you some time though, you likely haven't read Origin of Species.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Something from nothing, I'd like to see that, can I get an
example?

The Universe.

Your entire question is naive and shows your illogical tendancies. The Big Bang was the beginning of time. Yet you asked a time dependant question. Your entire question makes no sense.