27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesOk, that's a tough question.
That's what I'm trying to get you to decide. Which morality supersedes which when the two conflict?
The answer is that God's law (morality) should supersede mine when they clash. In reality that is often the case but not always (due to my falibility).
Does that help to answer your question?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesNo, I'm not saying that - I'm saying that I have no right to assume or judge what is right or wrong for another person.
I see. So, you are saying that's God's law is a sort of relative morality. What is wrong for you under God's law may be right for somebody else. For example, there might be some people for whom committing murder is morally correct.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by CritaYes, at long last.
Does that help to answer your question?
Let us stipulate that God's law supersedes any other morality.
Given that God's law calls for worshiping only him, why would you tolerate people worshiping other Gods, when their natural right to such worship is overruled by God's law?
27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesha ha ha - you're going around in circles! And not listening to what I'm saying because you're angling for me to say 'yes, I think we should kill anyone who doesn't worship God!' lol
Yes, at long last.
Let us stipulate that God's law supersedes any other morality.
Given that God's law calls for worshiping only him, why would you tolerate people worshiping other Gods, when their natural right to such worship is overruled by God's law?
No, I didn't say 'God's law supersedes any other morality' - I said God's law supersedes my own morality when they clash. Entirely different point.
Why do you insist on trying to get me to worry about what other people are thinking/doing etc? Whether someone worships Allah, Buhdda, or anything else is none of my business. What I am responsible for is my relationship with God and THAT IS IT. No one else's. I am commanded (by God) not to judge others and I refuse to tell someone else what I think is right or wrong for them.
See my point?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI don't consider that religion. I consider it an act allegedly supported by religion, similar to Islamic extremists who commit unspeakable actions in the name of Islam.
For example, there are Mormon sects whose male leaders force and manipulate children in their community into sex and polygamous marriages, believing it is their God-given right.
Such actions are not religion; thus, I do not show "religious" tolerance for them.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by CritaYou keep on taking the words right out of my mouth.
ha ha ha - you're going around in circles! And not listening to what I'm saying because you're angling for me to say 'yes, I think we should kill anyone who doesn't worship God!' lol
No, I didn't say 'God's law supersedes any other morality' - I said God's law supersedes my own morality when they clash. Entirely different point.
Why do you insist on tryi ...[text shortened]... efuse to tell someone else what I think is right or wrong for them.
See my point?
27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by CritaTrust me, you're the one to blame for this. I've been trying to break us out of the orbit, and you are the one persisting in equivocating and speaking out of both sides of your mouth. I can call in some impartial judges for a second opinion if you don't believe me.
you're going around in circles!
27 Jun 07
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Since this whole discussion began around the site www.religoustolerance.org, I'd like to take a quote from it.
"...religious tolerance means: to extend religious freedom to people of all religious traditions, even though you may well disagree with their beliefs and/or practices."
and for the sake of clarity,
"Religious freedom means that you can: without oppression, believe, worship and witness (or practice freedom from belief, worship and witness), as you wish..."
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by wittywonkaWhat does it mean to you to exercise religious tolerance?
I don't consider that religion. I consider it an act allegedly supported by religion, similar to Islamic extremists who commit unspeakable actions in the name of Islam.
Such actions are not religion; thus, I do not show "religious" tolerance for them.
For example, does it entail refraining from criticizing beliefs that you believe to be false?