27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesOk, I see your point now - I wouldn't murder my son because I don't have enough faith in God (I doubt He would ever ask me to). That doesn't mean I think it's the right thing to do. I would know I had done the wrong thing by not doing what God commanded me to do.
But you just told me you wouldn't murder your son if God commanded you to.
You are speaking with a forked tongue, because your incoherent position forces you to.
Can you see that just because I am too weak to obey a command doesn't mean that I think what I'm doing is right?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesAh, now we are back to the start - I would think what they did was stupid and I wouldn't do it, but it's not my place to judge them for it - that's God's.
Not in your eyes?
If they are wrong in God's eyes, and if God is always correct, why wouldn't you trust God and agree that they are wrong?
And you're exactly right - I trust God to the extent that I don't need to take it into my own hands and judge the person for breaking the command.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by CritaJust to clarify, if God asks you to sacrifice your son on an altar, your position is that it is morally correct to sacrifice your son on an altar?
Ok, I see your point now - I wouldn't murder my son because I don't have enough faith in God (I doubt He would ever ask me to). That doesn't mean I think it's the right thing to do. I would know I had done the wrong thing by not doing what God commanded me to do.
Can you see that just because I am too weak to obey a command doesn't mean that I think what I'm doing is right?
Further, it is also your position that after deliberating on the matter, you would choose the morally incorrect course of action?
What do these two things say about you as a person?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles"I'd like you to answer a question since you've only been doing the asking.
I already have. I asked you the last question after answering yours.
What should we do in the face of people of other religions? Should we discriminate against them? Should we disassociate from them? Should we criticize them and their religion?"
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesDepends on what morality we're applying to this situation.
Just to clarify, if God asks you to sacrifice your son on an altar, your position is that it is morally correct to sacrifice your son on an altar?
Further, it is also your position that after deliberating on the matter, you would choose the morally incorrect course of action?
What do these two things say about you as a person?
After deliberating on the matter, I would not be able to rely enough on my faith in God and would therefore not sacrifice my son, disobeying God. (Morals again depends on the morality we're talking about)
And what would that say about me as a person? - That I am human.
27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by wittywonkaIt depends on the particulars of the faith in question.
So, where should the discrimination end? Discriminatory laws? Violence?
For example, there are Mormon sects whose male leaders force and manipulate children in their community into sex and polygamous marriages, believing it is their God-given right. I believe the government ought to uphold laws against such behavior, initiating violent apprehension and detention if necessary.
27 Jun 07
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Originally posted by CritaI see. So, you are saying that's God's law is a sort of relative morality. What is wrong for you under God's law may be right for somebody else. For example, there might be some people for whom committing murder is morally correct.
Who am I to say that something is wrong for someone else?