Has SARS-CoV-2 been isolated?

@Ponderable
Just another troll now arguing semantics.

@metal-brain said
If that was true you would know COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Are “Gene Therapy" and Fulfill None of the Criteria for a Vaccine.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-vaccines-gene-therapy/5740003

Wait, why's it gene therapy?

@wildgrass said
Wait, why's it gene therapy?

Read the link.
If you are too lazy to read it just say so.

@metal-brain said
Read the link.
If you are too lazy to read it just say so.

So... it's not. The link said it was but, if you read it, it didn't provide evidence. All gene therapy involves DNA modifications, which vaccines cannot do.

@wildgrass said
So... it's not. The link said it was but, if you read it, it didn't provide evidence. All gene therapy involves DNA modifications, which vaccines cannot do.

"All gene therapy involves DNA modifications"

That is not true. Stop making up crap!

@Metal-Brain
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-mrna-vaccine-alter-my-dna

There is no alteration of genetic material, no DNA is altered. Messenger RNA ONLY makes proteins.

You really need to do genetics 101 at your local community college and THEN start arguing here.

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-mrna-vaccine-alter-my-dna

There is no alteration of genetic material, no DNA is altered. Messenger RNA ONLY makes proteins.

You really need to do genetics 101 at your local community college and THEN start arguing here.

I never claimed DNA was altered.
You need to go back to grade school and learn how to read.

@metal-brain said
I never claimed DNA was altered.
You need to go back to grade school and learn how to read.

You cliamed:

mRNA vaccines are gene therapy

gene therapy is defined by the FDA as:
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:

Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene
Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease

So please elucidate in your own words what you actually mean.

"Read the link" doesn't count since you already showed that you did not understand what the link claims and what actual scientific research claims. SO if you want to be helped in understanding (as all scientist should), please let us understand how your mind works.

@ponderable said
You cliamed:

mRNA vaccines are gene therapy

gene therapy is defined by the FDA as:
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:

Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene
Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
I ...[text shortened]... be helped in understanding (as all scientist should), please let us understand how your mind works.

Here is an excerpt from the link below:

"In order to replicate, viruses introduce their genetic material into the host cell, tricking the host's cellular machinery into using it as blueprints for viral proteins. Retroviruses go a stage further by having their genetic material copied into the genome of the host cell. Scientists exploit this by substituting a virus's genetic material with therapeutic DNA. (The term 'DNA' may be an oversimplification, as some viruses contain RNA, and gene therapy could take this form as well.) A number of viruses have been used for human gene therapy, including retroviruses, adenoviruses, herpes simplex, vaccinia, and adeno-associated virus.[4] Like the genetic material (DNA or RNA) in viruses, therapeutic DNA can be designed to simply serve as a temporary blueprint that is degraded naturally or (at least theoretically) to enter the host's genome, becoming a permanent part of the host's DNA in infected cells."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy

@Metal-Brain

Yes. And now show that the mRNA works as retrovirus and you are right.

@ponderable said
@Metal-Brain

Yes. And now show that the mRNA works as retrovirus and you are right.

Nope. You overlooked this part:

(The term 'DNA' may be an oversimplification, as some viruses contain RNA, and gene therapy could take this form as well.)

Now accept you piled onto a myth introduced by wildgrass because you didn't want to accept facts.

@metal-brain said
"All gene therapy involves DNA modifications"

That is not true. Stop making up crap!

You eat RNA in your diet every day. It would be bizarre to call that gene therapy.

@metal-brain said
Nope. You overlooked this part:

(The term 'DNA' may be an oversimplification, as some viruses contain RNA, and gene therapy could take this form as well.)

Now accept you piled onto a myth introduced by wildgrass because you didn't want to accept facts.

You've got this backwards. Viruses contain RNA. RNA is not a virus.

@wildgrass said
You've got this backwards. Viruses contain RNA. RNA is not a virus.

LOL! Your ignorance is amusing!

Really? Then how does the mRNA become a virus?
A virus cannot reproduce on it's own.
How does a virus manipulate a cell into reproducing a virus?

A virus has to start from something. If it isn't mRNA what is it?
Does a cell reproduce a complete virus or not?

😆

@metal-brain said
LOL! Your ignorance is amusing!

Really? Then how does the mRNA become a virus?
A virus cannot reproduce on it's own.
How does a virus manipulate a cell into reproducing a virus?

A virus has to start from something. If it isn't mRNA what is it?
Does a cell reproduce a complete virus or not?

😆

Really? Then how does the mRNA become a virus?

Yikes. I see we're veering into pointless semantics over substantial debate. You're missing the point. An mRNA "becoming" a virus does not mean an mRNA is a virus. Obviously. The vaccine cannot modify DNA and cannot function as a virus.

If you want to show mRNA vaccines are gene therapy, it should be simple. Just show where it makes DNA modifications.