@metal-brain said
That is not consistent with news reports here in the USA.

If you are right the news media was wrong to report "up to" 90%, which they did.

Maybe the news reports were wrong.

@humy said
That's one thing I just clearly implied.

If you are right the news media was wrong to report "up to" 90%, which they did.

Correct. And, that's one thing I just clearly implied.

Maybe the news reports were wrong.

Some albeit not all news reports were definitely wrong as many contradicted each other thus they logically couldn't possibly be al ...[text shortened]... oncile an "up to", or words of that exact effect, with a "more than", or words of that exact effect.

@metal-brain said
Nope. Up to is accurate.

@humy said
So you are so moronic you see no inconsistency between an "up to", or words of that exact effect, with a "more than", or words of that exact effect. Got it.

After Moderna came out and said their vaccine was 95% effective Pfizer all the sudden Pfizer claims they underestimated and their's is not 95% as well.

YouTube

Of course, this info is from....Pfizer. LOL!

@Metal-Brain
So it took this long for you to realize there was competition going on with vaccines?

@sonhouse said
@Metal-Brain
So it took this long for you to realize there was competition going on with vaccines?

@metal-brain said

You didn't watch the Jimmy Dore video, did you?

@humy said
Jimmy Dore isn't a scientist nor an expert but a comedian with a few wild conspiricy theories; Right; A really reliable source of facts that is more reliable than that from the real experts and real science.

@metal-brain said
Who determined the Pfizer vaccine's effectiveness was better than they thought and now 95% merely one day after Moderna said their vaccine was 95% effective?

This is excellent news with lesser caveats than with the one before;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908
"...A new vaccine that protects against Covid-19 is nearly 95% effective,
...The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5% of people.
...We still do not know how long immunity will last as volunteers will have to be followed for much longer before that can be answered.

There are hints it offers some protection in older age groups, who are most at risk of dying from Covid, but there is not full data.
...No significant safety concerns have been reported, but nothing, including paracetamol, is 100% safe.

Short lived fatigue, headache and pain were reported after the injection in some patients.

"These effects are what we would expect with a vaccine that is working and inducing a good immune response,"
...
Moderna's vaccine appears to be easier to store as it remains stable at minus 20C for up to six months and can be kept in a standard fridge for up to a month.

Pfizer's vaccine needs ultra-cold storage at around minus 75C, but it can be kept in the fridge for five days.
..."

So not only does it appear to be more effective but it appears to be easier to store.

@humy said
your irrelevant straw man. I obviously implied nothing about that.
I was obviously thinking about at all your previous BS assertions in other posts and not that above comment when you implied Jimmy Dore was one of your sources of facts.

@metal-brain said
Jimmy Dore is right, Pfizer is the source of that study.

@humy said
your irrelevant straw man. I obviously said/implied nothing about that and you know it. You convince nobody here.