07 Aug 15
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Originally posted by Data FlyYou'll forgive us if we struggle on a bit and force you to prevent a draw. A bishop against two pawns is not an automatic win, you know. 36. Rxe5
Forgive me for playing all the Black moves, but I consider this completely won for Black so just want to finish it quickly so that a new game can be started.
35. ... Rxe5
07 Aug 15
Originally posted by moonbusWhat's White going to do if Black puts the B on f4 and K on g6? Seems pawns are starting to fall.
You'll forgive us if we struggle on a bit and force you to prevent a draw. A bishop against two pawns is not an automatic win, you know. 36. Rxe5
[pgn]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 d6 5. h4 f6
6. Nxg5 fxg5 7. Qh5+ Kd7 8. hxg5 Qe8 9. Qg4+ Kd8 10. Qxf4 Bg7
11. c3 Ne7 12. d4 d5 13. Bd3 Rf8 14. Qe3 Rh8 15. e5 Ng6
16. Bxg6 Qxg6 17. Nd2 Nc6 18. Nf3 ...[text shortened]... f5 30. Re2 Nd4
31. Rd2 Nxf3 32. gxf3 Rhe8 33. Re2 Rd4 34. Bg3 Rxh4 35. Bxh4 Rxe5 36. Rxe5[/pgn]
07 Aug 15
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemWithout recommending any specific moves, here's my assessment of the situation:
What's White going to do if Black puts the B on f4 and K on g6? Seems pawns are starting to fall.
White has pawn majorities on both sides of the board and Black has no passer. That means that Black's pawns must all cross swords with at least one White pawn on the their way to promotion. So, let's assume that White manages to trade off all of Black's pawns, even at the cost of dropping his present 2-pawn majority. That would leave Black with king and 2 bishops vs king and one bishop, giving White drawing chances.
Furthermore, White has a bishop which he can use for shuttle moves, which allows White to avoid zugzwang positions (forcing the White K to yield the opposition, for example).
I agree that Black has the winning chances here, but you're going to have to work for it. I'm not prepared to resign yet.
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07 Aug 15
Originally posted by moonbusThe position is basically 2 bishops and 2 pawns vs. a bishop. White can only trade off one of blacks pawns with b4-c5. The rest of whites pawns are helpless and will fall in time.
Without recommending any specific moves, here's my assessment of the situation:
White has pawn majorities on both sides of the board and Black has no passer. That means that Black's pawns must all cross swords with at least one White pawn on the their way to promotion. So, let's assume that White manages to trade off all of Black's pawns, even at the cost ...[text shortened]... e winning chances here, but you're going to have to work for it. I'm not prepared to resign yet.
07 Aug 15
Originally posted by KnightStalker47Well, now that the cat's out of the bag, I guess there's no point in pursuing the game. I wonder how many of the lesser lights on the Black side would have seen that on their own?
The position is basically 2 bishops and 2 pawns vs. a bishop. White can only trade off one of blacks pawns with b4-c5. The rest of whites pawns are helpless and will fall in time.
One of the challenging things about this sort 'consultation' game is for the stronger players to work out a strategy which is obvious enough for the less strong players to carry it through.
08 Aug 15
Originally posted by moonbusAww! Such a quick folding after such inspiring rhetoric. Talk about bringing us all crashing down to the cold earth of glum reality.
Without recommending any specific moves, here's my assessment of the situation:
White has pawn majorities on both sides of the board and Black has no passer. That means that Black's pawns must all cross swords with at least one White pawn on the their way to promotion. So, let's assume that White manages to trade off all of Black's pawns, even at the cost ...[text shortened]... e winning chances here, but you're going to have to work for it. I'm not prepared to resign yet.