Why not 1.d4?

Why not 1.d4?

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Black Beastie

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21 Jan 09

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think such a conceptual plan will take serious meditation, forethought, planning, reflection and artistry if it is to come to fruition, infact i regard correspondence chess as a form of meditation, in which we must reflect on the battlefield, the moves and their consequences, this is not done on the analysis board, but in our minds, with out imaginative powers and reason. i wish you well beetle dude, for he is a worthy adversary!
Next fight will be a massacre. I will carve him up😵

rc

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21 Jan 09

Originally posted by black beetle
Next fight will be a massacre. I will carve him up😵
lol, can i have a piece, with roast tatties, turnips and trimmings!

Black Beastie

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, can i have a piece, with roast tatties, turnips and trimmings!
I ll keep somme derlicieous haggis of es four ye, tasty to the hilt wi some Aberlour 100 straight from it cask😵

Black Beastie

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Originally posted by black beetle
I ll keep somme derlicieous haggis of es four ye, tasty to the hilt wi some Aberlour 100 straight from it cask😵
Queen's Gambit against paul will be fine; this way he will have solely 19 main defensive systems up his sleeve. I will be prepared for all😵

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Angler

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Originally posted by Carterson
Because 1.d4 is stupid.

I have a pretty good teacher and he has shown me, "1.e4, best by test"
Your teacher is stuck in the 1970s when Fischer's rhetoric had not yet been subjected to database analysis. New in Chess has demonstrated that 1.d4 is best by test.

I've been playing 1.d4 far longer than I've had a rating, although I play 1.e4 plenty too. My basic rule, which applies less than 80% of the time: against lower rated players, 1.e4; against higher rated players, 1.d4.

Black Beastie

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Your teacher is stuck in the 1970s when Fischer's rhetoric had not yet been subjected to database analysis. New in Chess has demonstrated that 1.d4 is best by test.

I've been playing 1.d4 far longer than I've had a rating, although I play 1.e4 plenty too. My basic rule, which applies less than 80% of the time: against lower rated players, 1.e4; against higher rated players, 1.d4.
Wise!

BTW I wish the best for you and your fellow Americans while you marching united along with your 44th president.

G

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I play strictly c4. but when I feel like it I can transpose to al lot of d4 openings.

I just love the english, it is also weirdly aesthetical to my eyes.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
I understand that is you nobble Rybka's book and let it think
for 30 minutes from the initial position then 1.Nf3 is the best move.
Just to flog a dead horse, I left Fritz to analyse the opening position for 3 hours. Here's what it came up with:

1. Queen's Gambit Accepted
2. Ruy Lopez\Berlin Defence\Classical Variation
3. Queen's Gambit Declined
4. Queen's Pawn Opening
5. Benko's Opening
6. King's Indian Defence
7. Reversed Sicilian
8. Anderssen's Opening
9. London System (ish)
10. King's Indian Attack

It's a bit unfair mind, given that this analysis forced Fritz to choose a different opening move for each of the 10 lines. I think it's interesting to see certain transpositions especially 9th with 1.h3 to a type of London System. If you're really interested the lines given are below.

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 dxc4 4. e3 g6 5. Bxc4 Bg7 6. O-O O-O 7. Nc3 Nc6 8. e4 Bg4 (0.34)
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Bc5 5. c3 O-O 6. d4 Bb6 7. Nxe5 Nxe5 8. dxe5 Nxe4 9. Nd2 d5 (0.32)
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. e3 Bd6 6. c5 Be7 7. Bb5 O-O 8. O-O Bd7 (0.27)
1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 g6 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 Nc6 6. O-O O-O 7. Bf4 Ne4 8. Ne5 Bf5 9. Nxc6 (0.13)
1. g3 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. Bg2 Bc5 5. Nbd2 Nf6 6. Nb3 Qe7 7. O-O O-O 8. Bf4 d6 (0.13)
1. e3 Nf6 2. d4 g6 3. Nf3 Bg7 4. c4 O-O 5. Nc3 c5 6. Bd3 Nc6 7. O-O d6 (0.01)
1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Bc5 5. Nf3 O-O 6. O-O d6 7. d3 Bf5 8. Qb3 Rb8 9. Bg5 (-0.04)
1. a3 Nf6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 g6 4. g3 Bg7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Ne5 Bf5 8. O-O Ne4 9. Nxc6 bxc6 (-0.10)
1. h3 Nf6 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 d5 4. Bf4 e6 5. e3 Bd6 6. Ne5 Nd7 7. Nxc6 bxc6 8. Nc3 Bxf4 9. exf4 Rb8 10. b3 (-0.11)
1. d3 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 d4 6. a3 Be7 7. Ne4 Nf6 8. Nxf6+ Bxf6 9. O-O O-O 10. c4 (-0.15)

rc

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21 Jan 09

Originally posted by Meadows
Just to flog a dead horse, I left Fritz to analyse the opening position for 3 hours. Here's what it came up with:

1. Queen's Gambit Accepted
2. Ruy Lopez\Berlin Defence\Classical Variation
3. Queen's Gambit Declined
4. Queen's Pawn Opening
5. Benko's Opening
6. King's Indian Defence
7. Reversed Sicilian
8. Anderssen's Opening
9. London System (is ...[text shortened]... 4. Bg2 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 d4 6. a3 Be7 7. Ne4 Nf6 8. Nxf6+ Bxf6 9. O-O O-O 10. c4 (-0.15)
excellent, most excellent! i like this analysis, but also the move h3 in the London, sometimes even played before e3 in order to preserve the London dark squared bishop alive where he can hide in h2 if black gets aggressive with the f6 knight!

Black Beastie

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Originally posted by Meadows
Just to flog a dead horse, I left Fritz to analyse the opening position for 3 hours. Here's what it came up with:

1. Queen's Gambit Accepted
2. Ruy Lopez\Berlin Defence\Classical Variation
3. Queen's Gambit Declined
4. Queen's Pawn Opening
5. Benko's Opening
6. King's Indian Defence
7. Reversed Sicilian
8. Anderssen's Opening
9. London System (is ...[text shortened]... 4. Bg2 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 d4 6. a3 Be7 7. Ne4 Nf6 8. Nxf6+ Bxf6 9. O-O O-O 10. c4 (-0.15)
Ah dear Meadows,

at QG nooooobody would play 2.Nf3 affterr 1.d4 Nf6 even if he started it game smeahllin like ae distillery -I would't play it even if you were to gimmick a cask o' Aberlour Vintage 32*. I would grab wi me both hands me heavy c-pawn (some times I see it double an counting, that is) and I would put it -them, whatever- on them c4 squares big time and I would have the party started.
So could ye kindly check an state how that crafty machine of yers would respond to 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4, for Jan. 25 is commin and the QG White will need them nice tatties in order to enjoy some haggis out of them Blackies??


*OK, in such a case I would proehbubbly succumb😵

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The Englund gambit is good fun & perfectly playable against 1.d4 on here.
I've played 18 games on RHP with it & won 12 I think.
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Game 5495683
Game 5169972
Not many people have a clue how to deal with these offbeat lines & you have a big advantage if they are playing the opening blind, or using the limited resources of a db & you have some literature such as Ken Smith & John Hall's book.
Much of their analysis is borrowed from gambit specialist FM Stefan Bucker and that is no bad thing.

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I have played both moves in tournament play, I've scored better with 1. d4 though. I think at a certain level 1. d4 might be better because no one ever invented a drawing weapon against it like Kramnik's Petroff.

Forum Vampire

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c4 Is the only way to go.

S

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Game 5904238
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Originally posted by Squelchbelch
The Englund gambit is good fun & perfectly playable against 1.d4 on here.
I've played 18 games on RHP with it & won 12 I think.
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Game 5495683
Game 5169972
Not many people have a clue how to deal with these offbeat lines & you have a big advantage if they are playing the opening blind, or using the limited resources of a db & you have ...[text shortened]... f their analysis is borrowed from gambit specialist FM Stefan Bucker and that is no bad thing.
It sure looks as if your Club mate was trying to drop some easy points to you or he was playing blindfold in Game 5495683.