Which is better,e4 or d4 as your first move for white.

Which is better,e4 or d4 as your first move for white.

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NMD

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This forum has inspired me to play a 1.g3 blitz game in the Red Hot Pawn arena.

It didn`t go exactly as planned though.

I was mated on f2.

I`m not a 1.g3 player in a normal 1.g3 player kinda way but play it occassionally.

I play it with the following hope.

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That's just beening silly. If you want to be crative with the night I shoud say Nh3 is a much better move since now it has to go to f4 at some time. Creative playing but silly. I really would love to see more games and ideas!

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Originally posted by bikingviking
Chesskid, I think you are partially incorrect (these kids). Adams plays very posessionally and quiet and he always starts 1.e4. Christiansen on the other hand, one of the great attacking players, most often starts 1.d4 or 1.c4 while playing extremely aggressive when he is plaing black. So stick to the subject beeing discussed.

Is 1.g3 really a good m ...[text shortened]... a few times. I tend trying to attack the his king but in the end It's me beeing attacked.
Since 1. g3 could turn into some 10 or 12 different openings that span transpositions into 1. c4, 1. d4, 1. e4 or even 1. f4 openings, I think calling it predictable is overly optimistic. I play it OTB because of it's lack of predictability.

I think the hardest part to playing 1. g3 is that you have to be prepared to play a multitude of different positions, depending on how black responds.

For me, I tend to play (OTB) the King's Indian Attack, the Reti, the Closed Sicilian, the Fianchetto variation of the King's Indian Defense, the English, a Modern Reversed, a Pirc Reversed, or the Leningrad Bird, depending on how black responds. The vast majority of my games are KIAs or Retis, but it really just depends.

And my approach is just one of many, and I certainly can't claim mine is the best- it just works for me!

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Originally posted by bikingviking
Dammit! My intended post dissappeared ... Have to get back to inportant stuff.

Seems like I am bored today, (I am back in the forum I once promised never to step my foot in because of bad time management). It i Reti's fault! (And Pauls, no offence).

So Paul:
I intended to ask you if there are any more of you 1.g3 players here at RHP. Because I w ...[text shortened]... th black and I have yet to face it. (People don't like playing positional in correspondence?).
I hope my other post answered this for you a bit! I play 1. Nf3 or 1. g3 in over the board tournaments, but here I have been playing 1. c4, 1. d4, 1. f4, or occasionally 1. Nf3.
I am using RHP to test certain ideas, and to broaden my chess horizon.

When I play OTB, my choice of g3 or Nf3 depends on whether or not I want to allow ...e5 on the first move, as I see that as the defining difference between the two choices. Even then, people play 1. ... c5 or 1. ... d5 or even 1. ... Nf6 far more often than ...e5, so it's a minor point.

I think I may start playing 1. g3 here just because it seems so rare! If nothing else, other people will be better prepared OTB after playing me.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Russ can pick up your IP's and drop the lot of you into some
old lady's knitting club.[/b]
Says Mr. "Offer a draw in a King's Gambit to a lower rated player..." 😛

Don't make me put down my needles!

-The Knitwit

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If Theres Hell Below

We're All Gonna Go!

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Originally posted by Paul Leggett
Says Mr. "Offer a draw in a King's Gambit to a lower rated player..." 😛

Don't make me put down my needles!

-The Knitwit
alright! the thimbles are off!

NMD

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Remember in the olden days one training technique was to allegedly blow smoke in the opponents face so he would be toughened up for when he has to play a smoker.

Well maybe Adams plays possessionally because as a training technique perhaps his trainer played the excorcist movie so he would be accustomed to being distracted.

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
Remember in the olden days one training technique was to allegedly blow smoke in the opponents face so he would be toughened up for when he has to play a smoker.

Well maybe Adams plays possessionally because as a training technique perhaps his trainer played the excorcist movie so he would be accustomed to being distracted.
I just study with my girlfriend in the room, much more effective than either of the methods you mention here.

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Originally posted by Maxacre42
I just study with my girlfriend in the room, much more effective than either of the methods you mention here.
Now now.

We are taking a chess lesson here, not anatomy!

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Originally posted by Tiwaking
Now now.

We are taking a chess lesson here, not anatomy!
And I was waiting for the diagrams to post! 😲

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Originally posted by orion25
I on the other hand, am very happy when my opponent plays 1.c4 - finally an interesting game were the whole board plays a part. Never have I had a boring game after my opponent plays 1.c4, unlike what happens with 1.d4. 1.e4 is even worse - there comes another boring game with nothing serious happening. Bah.

1.c4 is for the true creative genius, on the ot ...[text shortened]... and your beautiful game flow free, instead it all comes down to 20 theory moves and an endgame.
Interesting.I agree 1.c4 usually leads to fun games.
But if you would be so kind to give an example of "another boring game with nothing serious happening." after 1.e4 I would appreciate it.

I'm really interested,not looking to quarrel.

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I was thinking of any game after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6...😴

Of course, I'll save Greenpawn34 the trouble of typing and just add 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nxf7 !?! and game on!

Paul

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Originally posted by Paul Leggett
Says Mr. "Offer a draw in a King's Gambit to a lower rated player..." 😛

Don't make me put down my needles!

-The Knitwit
Ha. I just noticed this.

You played 1.f4 I offered the Form gambit 1....e5.

You chickened out and played a KG. I offered the Falkbeer 2...d5

You chose the stodge line.
I'm an artist, you took away my paper and crayons.

The position we agreed a draw in was also agreed drawn
by two teenage girls in Poland.

I think that sums up that game. 🙂

(and anyway why did I not get to play against the mighty 1.g3?)

Also noticed the 'yawn' Petrov.
Yes in the upper atmosphere of the 2500+ players the fangs have been pulled.

But if Black is wanting a win and so is White then it's game on.
Remember Marshall played it often and scored some nice wins with it.

The Cochrane 4,Nxf7 is OK but Black can simply give the piece back.

3.Bc4 v the Petroff is the move (again no good over 2500) but for the
likes of us it's playable and most likely to spin into a Two Knights
which is the most tactical of all the openings.

The tricks, traps and zaps that lurk just under the skin of the mainlines
in this opening will turn your hair white.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
[b]Ha. I just noticed this.

You played 1.f4 I offered the Form gambit 1....e5.

You chickened out and played a KG. I offered the Falkbeer 2...d5

You chose the stodge line.
I'm an artist, you took away my paper and crayons.
Here's the position that lacks "paper and crayons" after my "stodge" line...😛

I should add that (I think) GP won the tournament with a coherent strategy from the start, so you won't hear a peep from me faulting his result!

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Nah Nah Paul.

You have to play out what was coming, It's all theory and
I cannot see anyway to avoid it.



I'm a pawn up but seriously lagging in the Big D. (development).

Not part of the greenpawn game plan, never has and never will be.

I'm practically forced to give back the pawn and most likely have
an isolated target pawn on e6.

If I get dragged into a bland postion like this (to me this is very bland)
I either try to trap my way out of it or just give up.

I much prefer White and I bet most other players do as well.

I cannot work with a Black postion like that. It's just not me.

So set the trap now before it's too late.

Offer a draw and hope the guy sees the grading points and NOT the postion.
It works every time. 😉