Originally posted by AudreyxSophieThats pretty blind to not see the sac doesn't work because we aren't the only ones who can sac and after something like ...Kh7 our king is too far away. If i were him play the rook to h1 march the king up and take the pawn and whoops he wins because our knight is stuck in defense mode and he can always just sac his rook for the pawn.
If you need, just sac the rook for the knight.
Ne8 + Kh7...
Nf6 ' now take the knight, Rxf6. there is no more draw thing...
next thing, Ne1. Nf3 or nxf3 and h2 and we try to push the g-pawn, how about this ?
This is the position you are talking about.
[fen]3RN3/p4pk1/1r4p1/6P1/P7/K1P2P1p/6n1/8[/fen]
Here, can you tell why you are pla ...[text shortened]... gestion.. As, after kh7, if he go with nf6, he forces us to sac. and we won't lose the h-pawn.
I am sure Rxf6 work fine. look my position...
the black king do not have to be active, we just have to do.. g5 ... g4 ... g3 .... g2 and .... g1 Queen. that is all. I am certain that will work.
I vote for ... h4 and i mean it.
And I already looked at the c-pawn advance, our pawn promote right after. I'll check back.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophie4...Rd1? thats all i'll say.
If you need, just sac the rook for the knight.
Ne8 + Kh7...
Nf6 ' now take the knight, Rxf6. there is no more draw thing...
next thing, Ne1. Nf3 or nxf3 and h2 and we try to push the g-pawn, how about this ?
This is the position you are talking about.
[fen]3RN3/p4pk1/1r4p1/6P1/P7/K1P2P1p/6n1/8[/fen]
Here, can you tell why you are pla ...[text shortened]... 1 is forced and the g come...still has not analysed the rest, so, if i mess up, reject this.
White, to move....
1. c4 g5 2. c5 g4 3. c6 g3 4. c7 g2 5.Rxh2 Nxh2 6. c8Q and g8Q...
Black is a pice and search to trade queens and liminate the a-pawn so the f-pawn pass. , now, let us go back to the position, from which white trie the trick, Ne8 +.
Now, black plays 1... h3 2. Ne8 + Kh7, and not kf8, since it is draw. 3. Nf6 and now, we must do Rxf6. 4. gxf6 ( You have to take back, don't want to be a piece down. (Rf4 and Rh4) 4... Ne1 5. Rd1 and now 5... Nxf3 and soon h2. then black push the g-pawn after Rh1. (Since we go with Ng1 else. (I say white is in trouble.)
A diagram.
(white to move.)
find something for him here.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophieOk was being stubborn but in analysis I find 43...Ne1!! to win hands down! just analyse! no stopping our pawn for him. I found this in analysing the Rd7 lines but he can prevent this by an immediate Rd1-h1 maneuver so we play it now.
[fen]8/p4p1k/5Pp1/8/P7/K1P2n2/7p/7R[/fen]
White, to move....
1. c4 g5 2. c5 g4 3. c6 g3 4. c7 g2 5.Rxh2 Nxh2 6. c8Q and g8Q...
Black is a pice and search to trade queens and liminate the a-pawn so the f-pawn pass. , now, let us go back to the position, from which white trie the trick, Ne8 +.
[fen]3R4/p1N2p1k/1r4p1/7P1/P6p/K1P2P1p/6n1/8[/fen] ...[text shortened]... .
[fen]8/p4p1k/5Pp1/8/P7/K1P2n1p/8/3R4[/fen] (white to move.)
find something for him here.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophieNo, 43...h4 44.Rd1 still holds. The point of ...Ne1 is to prevent him from this just analyse some lines show me something for white. hmmm well ironically after looking at it again (lost previous analysis from move one up to move 42) i remembered the planned ...Re6 and that is even more convincing.
le's do 43... h4 because that, we will do the move a little later, I tought about Ne1, but does not seem better them that Nf4.
So, will h4 be our move ?
Don't mind last night. Just drunken ramblings. 😳 but 43...Ne1 has some merit. Here are some options for white. 44.f4, Rd7, Nd4, Nd6, and Nc7 any other white moves lose the f and g pawns without compensation. I will exclude Nd4 since it blocks the rooks path to d1, and Nd6 since its only merit is grabbing the f pawn which is an unimportant pawn and he can have it if he wants. You are free to prove me wrong since mistakes happen and I would like to win so please correct any mistake you happen to find. 44.Nc7 Rb6+ 45.Ka3 h4 46.Nd5 (46.Re8? meets the simple 46...Nxf3 and 46.Rf8? Kg7 is also simple) 46...Re6! game over.
Originally posted by tomtom232Continued... If 46.f4! we don't have it so easy. The best I can find is 46...Rc6 (need to chase knight away from control of e6) 47.Rd7(47.Ne8 h3! 48.Rd1 Ng2 49.c4 Nxf4 50.Kb4 Ne6 51.Nf6+! Kg7 52.Ne4 Rc8![not ...Rb6+ first because after 53.Kc3 Rb8 54.Rh1 Rh8 55.Rh2 then 55...Rh4 doesnt work since the king can protect the knight. This makes the white rook more mobile and simply loses a precious tempo] 53.Rh1 Rh8 -+) 47...Kg7 and it gets pretty complicated after this.
Don't mind last night. Just drunken ramblings. 😳 but 43...Ne1 has some merit. Here are some options for white. 44.f4, Rd7, Nd4, Nd6, and Nc7 any other white moves lose the f and g pawns without compensation. I will exclude Nd4 since it blocks the rooks path to d1, and Nd6 since its only merit is grabbing the f pawn which is an unimportant pawn and he can ...[text shortened]... 46.Nd5 (46.Re8? meets the simple 46...Nxf3 and 46.Rf8? Kg7 is also simple) 46...Re6! game over.
Originally posted by tomtom232continued... given that line is quite complicated but it does look good I would say its too risky and 45...Nxf3 needs to be looked at. One real option prevents itself for white and that is 46.Nd5 Re6 47.Nf6+ Rxf6 and basically whites c pawn races our h pawn. We promote first so will have the initiative which might be good enough to promote another pawn. This shows that 43...Ne1 has good chances for us.
Continued... If 46.f4! we don't have it so easy. The best I can find is 46...Rc6 (need to chase knight away from control of e6) 47.Rd7(47.Ne8 h3! 48.Rd1 Ng2 49.c4 Nxf4 50.Kb4 Ne6 51.Nf6+! Kg7 52.Ne4 Rc8![not ...Rb6+ first because after 53.Kc3 Rb8 54.Rh1 Rh8 55.Rh2 then 55...Rh4 doesnt work since the king can protect the knight. This makes the white rook mo ...[text shortened]... ply loses a precious tempo] 53.Rh1 Rh8 -+) 47...Kg7 and it gets pretty complicated after this.
Here's what I have as votes:
vipiu Rb6
ptobler h4
tomtom Nf4 or Ne1
queen f6
daniel Ra5
myself h4 (Mainly because of Audrey's exchange sacrifice)
clandarkfire Nf4
iamatiger Rb6
venci h4
audreyxsophie h4
Totals
h4 4 votes
Nf4 2 votes
Rb6 2 votes
Ra5 1 vote
f6 1 vote
Ne1 1 vote ?
I will leave this open another day or so just to make sure I got this right.
Your thoughts?
well, I look at Ne1, But the knight can do its job at f4 also, and if Pawnriot try the trick of Ne8 and Nf6, he face the terrible exchange sacrifice.
So, I keep my vote,
I really think ... h4 is the best way to proceed, how long did we think that the trick was going to work ?
We may as well find something after Rd1.