27 Sep 10
I wonder this myself.
My guess is that when there are waaaaaaay too many rock-solid moves, over hundreds of games, it's pretty obvious that it's a computer, and not a secret correspondence GM in our midst.
But what's to stop someone from just turning on the engine only when the position gets hairy, say, to scrape out draws in lost positions?
It seems like that would be hard to catch.
28 Sep 10
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Originally posted by skeeterSo you are saying all of the people above you and by inference a lot of those below you in rank are engines and therefore there is ?collusion? Tacit approval? by Russ and the moderators to allow engine use but only by those in the top 20 or so? I suppose you remember Ironman31 and his fate? Perhaps they are just very strong players, their games having been scrutinized very closely? You figure Weyer is an engine? Capa? All of them? Your stance is, if they beat you, they are an engine? The 2200 who beat you, why is he only 2200 then? The 1900 who beat you, why isn't he 2400?
Yep. It's just plain hard to beat those engines and if I have to play sub 2100's to get an honest game then sobeit. I certainly don't apologise for that or the inference - everyone is aware of my stance and outings in the past on that. Regarding the 900 - which seriously affected my average - that was an open tourney and I have no control over who enters after I do.
skeets
Perhaps you are saying those in the upper ranks only use engines against YOU? There are banned players coming up all the time. You figure certain players are allowed to get away with using engines and others banned? Just trying to suss out where you are coming from here.
One thing is clear, at least YOU don't use engines, that is obvious. I would be shaken if it were shown you used engines.
28 Sep 10
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Originally posted by sonhouseI really don't know what you expect me to say here sonhouse. I could say that the 1900 and 2200 defeats were against opponents that displayed a 96 and 100% match, respectively for 1st and 2nd choices from the Rybka 2.3.3 engine but clearly I cannot say that so I wont.
So you are saying all of the people above you and by inference a lot of those below you in rank are engines and therefore there is ?collusion? Tacit approval? by Russ and the moderators to allow engine use but only by those in the top 20 or so? I suppose you remember Ironman31 and his fate? Perhaps they are just very strong players, their games having been t YOU don't use engines, that is obvious. I would be shaken if it were shown you used engines.
Again, clearly, I could say that after similar analysis, I have determined that amongst the revered 'front page 30', no less than twenty three employ chess engines to improve their play. But, I cannot say that and yet again, dont.
And, nimzo5's little contribution to this thread pretty much sums it up - random is random and the other random is a choo choo, but I can't say that so I don't.
skeeter
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by skeeterLOL
I really don't know what you expect me to say here sonhouse. I could say that the 1900 and 2200 defeats were against opponents that displayed a 96 and 100% match, respectively for 1st and 2nd choices from the Rybka 2.3.3 engine but clearly I cannot say that so I wont.
Again, clearly, I could say that after similar analysis, I have determined that amongst ...[text shortened]... random and the other random is a choo choo, but I can't say that so I don't.
skeeter
You could say it, but you don't.
This is like when a lawyer blurts something out in front of the jury, and it is stricken from the record.
28 Sep 10
"did you order the code red?"
Is it really a surprise that the former #1 moved to site that practically encourages engine use?
While I have no doubt in my mind that current #1 is clearly GM Henrique Mecking in disguise ( our #1's name means black cape- most likely a reference to the movie.. sort of like having the name jediXYZ) we will just have to accept the very logical conclusion that there is no driver's license required to use rybka so you might see some motorists up in at the top of the charts.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by nimzo5I always thought it was a play on Capablanca. Blanca - white; preta - black.
"did you order the code red?"
Is it really a surprise that the former #1 moved to site that practically encourages engine use?
While I have no doubt in my mind that current #1 is clearly GM Henrique Mecking in disguise ( our #1's name means black cape- most likely a reference to the movie.. sort of like having the name jediXYZ) we will just have to acc ...[text shortened]... icense required to use rybka so you might see some motorists up in at the top of the charts.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by skeeterWell, 23+ out of 30 is 76%+, which is very difficult to believe, because if what skeeter thinks but cannot say is true, then one would expect users from that list banned more frequently than there seem to be the case at the moment. I think there were about 5 users banned from the first page in the last 6 months or so.
Again, clearly, I could say that after similar analysis, I have determined that amongst the revered 'front page 30', no less than twenty three employ chess engines to improve their play. But, I cannot say that and yet again, dont.
skeeter
On the other hand, the RHP administration are in a difficult position here: to ban someone they would probably need extremely strong evidence (to avoid a mistake), possibly much stronger than the common sense says is sufficient. Also, there may be issues like what to do with the subscription money, and who knows, maybe even legal consequences.
I know there are some older threads regarding this matter, but with no names of current players mentioned. So perhaps someone who knows a lot about all this stuff could create a special club, which everyone could join, with the private forum, where people who think they have strong evidence about someone cheating could post all that information. This may be useful to players who don't want to play against cheaters, but don't have engines/time to analyse themselves, etc. For example, if such evidence (with good explanation) were provided by several different people, that would probably convinced me that certain players are cheaters; in that case I would quit playing with them, and in the future won't enter the same tournaments. In fact, if most people would do likewise, then that might even discourage those players from cheating, or they would simply end up playing each other and get bored eventually.
But in reality, I suspect, only a small percentage of players are bothered about that, probably mainly relatively stronger players who often play other strong players.
28 Sep 10
Originally posted by kes29I think this club discusses chess games and users in depth in their private forum.
Well, 23+ out of 30 is 76%+, which is very difficult to believe, because if what skeeter thinks but cannot say is true, then one would expect users from that list banned more frequently than there seem to be the case at the moment. I think there were about 5 users banned from the first page in the last 6 months or so.
On the other hand, the RHP administration ...[text shortened]... about that, probably mainly relatively stronger players who often play other strong players.
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