19 Mar 13
Originally posted by michael liddleThe position is completely drawn. There is no Black win in 15 moves. It simple ends up in a position where both players have a pair of protected passed pawns on opposite sides of the board. e.g.
The computer candidate moves suggested a black win in about 15 moves. Considering they are playing for the right to challenge Anand, I would have expected black to queen a pawn and continue.
19 Mar 13
Originally posted by Fat LadyYour diagram is wrong;
The position is completely drawn. There is no Black win in 15 moves. It simple ends up in a position where both players have a pair of protected passed pawns on opposite sides of the board. e.g.[pgn]
[FEN "8/5k2/8/1p5p/7P/p2K1PP1/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------------
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . k . .
. . . . . . . .
. p . . . . . p
. . . . . . ...[text shortened]... . . . . . . .
white to play
--------------}
1. Kc3 b4+ 2. Kb3 Kf6 3. g4 Ke5 4. g5
[/pgn]
The final position has white queen on e4, and it is black to move. Cannot see from there how black won't get 2 queens. White's Ke4 is shown as a 'weak' move in the comp analysis!
19 Mar 13
Here is what you posted:
> Yes, the game was between the two 'chuks'
>
> The computer candidate moves suggested a black win in about 15 moves. Considering they are
> playing for the right to challenge Anand, I would have expected black to queen a pawn
> and continue.
Your first sentence is clearly referring to the one I posted. If you were talking about a different one in the next sentence then you should have said so.
Jesus wept.
19 Mar 13
Originally posted by Fat LadyLet's be clear. The game I mentioned is the same that you posted, but the finished position was different to yours. I said that the computer gave a win for black in ABOUT 15 moves. The number of moves is immaterial given the position.
Here is what you posted:
> Yes, the game was between the two 'chuks'
>
> The computer candidate moves suggested a black win in about 15 moves. Considering they are
> playing for the right to challenge Anand, I would have expected black to queen a pawn
> and continue.
Your first sentence is clearly referring to the one I posted. If you were talking about a different one in the next sentence then you should have said so.
Jesus wept.
Jesus wept X2
19 Mar 13
Originally posted by michael liddleI give up on you. I had a quick look at your rating on this site and thought you knew a bit about chess, but now I've looked up your ECF grade I realise I'm wasting my time.
Let's be clear. The game I mentioned is the same that you posted, but the finished position was different to yours. I said that the computer gave a win for black in ABOUT 15 moves. The number of moves is immaterial given the position.
19 Mar 13
Originally posted by Fat LadyAnd that is relevant to you incorrectly posting the final position as given by chessdom............how?
I give up on you. I had a quick look at your rating on this site and thought you knew a bit about chess, but now I've looked up your ECF grade I realise I'm wasting my time.
20 Mar 13
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Originally posted by michael liddleKingscrusher goes over all 4 round 1 games and the last one that he covers is between the 2 Chukies. He shows exactly how the draw would be obtained from the point they agreed to a draw. See the linked video and fast forward to the last game.
Yes, the game was between the two 'chuks'
The computer candidate moves suggested a black win in about 15 moves. Considering they are playing for the right to challenge Anand, I would have expected black to queen a pawn and continue.
20 Mar 13
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I've made four 50p bets to make the fifth round more exciting for me:
11/1 on Gelfand to win (generous odds on someone who has a proven track record)
11/5 on Kramnik vs Aronian to not be drawn (hoping Aronian will be going for it)
9/1 on Ivanchuk to win (I really rate Ivanchuk)
33/5 on Radjabov to win (odds seemed generous)
If they all come in then I'll be cursing myself for not making it an accumulator.
20 Mar 13
Originally posted by Dewi JonesI can't understand why they continued to play so long before agreeing to a draw. And in the Carlsen game, grandmasters usually agree to a draw rather than play it out to an insufficient force game like that.
What amazing resourcefulness from Aronian in today's game.