19 Apr 06
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Originally posted by wormwoodhehehe
http://learningrussian.com/transliteration.htm
Cyrillic.
And, I quote from that same page in the introduction: Russian belongs to the Slavic group of Indo-European language family. The Slavic group of languages is divided into West Slavic (Czech, Slovak, Polish, and Sorbian), South Slavic (Bulgarian, Croatian, Macedonian, Serbian, and Slovenian), and East Slavic (Russian, Ukrainian, and Belorussian).
Now, English is in an entirely different family. That family is the Germanic group. There are several groups of languages. I hope that helps Positional Player see where I'm coming from. Anyway, being that Italian and Russian are in entirely two totally different families of languages, why spell a famous Russian World Chess Champion's name with the letters from an entirely different family of languages? Once again, it doesn't make sense. KASPAROV is KASPAROV! True, there is a RUSSIAN spelling in their letters for his name, and I can't even read it. But, it still means the same thing. And, I very much doubt Kasparov puts RUSSIAN letters on his checkbook when he signs something. Look at the endorsed chess products? RUSSIAN? No, it says Garry KASPAROV in his signature. How do I know? I happen to own a Saitek computer endorsed by him.
19 Apr 06
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Originally posted by schakuhrQuite the contrary. There is a LOT to calculate. The engine determines all possible first moves for White and examines all possible moves for Black. Then it goes on to calculate possible successive moves and finds the best responses. Taking all things into account, it produces a score. It's no different than any other position.
There isn't much to calculate for engines after 0 moves 🙄
But in any case, you have clearly confused yourself. This was about 1 e4 e5. It is not move 0.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by exigentskyNormally they've got an opening book so they don't calculate at move 0.
Quite the contrary. There is a LOT to calculate. The engine determines all possible first moves for White and examines all possible moves for Black. Then it goes on to calculate possible successive moves and finds the best responses. Taking all things into account, it produces a score. It's no different than any other position.
But in any case, you have clearly confused yourself. This was about 1 e4 e5. It is not move 0.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by powershakerkasparov is armenian I think? they don't use cyrillic, and it's not a slavic language.
Cyrillic.
anyway, it's not about languages, it's about writing systems and different transliteration systems. slavic vs. germanic has nothing to do with it.
americans write 'gorbachev', finnish write 'gorbatshov', and I think the french write 'gorbatchev'. a germanic, finno-ugric and a romance language. all three use same writing system, but different transliteration systems. all three are correct.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by exigentskyNah, I haven't confused myself, I said something a little bit different than I meant. I meant that after 1.e4 e5 it's still "in book" and that brute engine calculation is pretty much inferior to opening theory.
Quite the contrary. There is a LOT to calculate. The engine determines all possible first moves for White and examines all possible moves for Black. Then it goes on to calculate possible successive moves and finds the best responses. Taking all things into account, it produces a score. It's no different than any other position.
But in any case, you have clearly confused yourself. This was about 1 e4 e5. It is not move 0.
For instance if I let Crafty play itself, I get the opening 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe6+... great move!
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by schakuhrInteresting. What happens with Fritz, Hiarcs and Rybka (and any other engines you may have)?
Nah, I haven't confused myself, I said something a little bit different than I meant. I meant that after 1.e4 e5 it's still "in book" and that brute engine calculation is pretty much inferior to opening theory.
For instance if I let Crafty play itself, I get the opening 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe6+... great move!
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by zebanoI've let all of them analyse for a year, and eventually they all agreed that the Caro-Kann was the best.... :-P
Interesting. What happens with Fritz, Hiarcs and Rybka (and any other engines you may have)?
On a serious note, although the engines are good and can find opening novelties, in general they can't compete with all the known opening theory.
20 Apr 06
Originally posted by exigentskyIn the starting position, white has 20 possible moves. After 1.e4, white has 30 possible moves, but 31 if black plays 1...d5 or 1...f5, and only 29 if black plays 1...e5. After 1.e3, white has 30 possible moves no matter what black does. Some engines play 1.e3 for this very reason.
Quite the contrary. There is a LOT to calculate. The engine determines all possible first moves for White and examines all possible moves for Black. Then it goes on to calculate possible successive moves and finds the best responses. Taking all things into account, it produces a score. It's no different than any other position.
But in any case, you have clearly confused yourself. This was about 1 e4 e5. It is not move 0.
20 Apr 06
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Originally posted by schakuhrYeah, I see what you mean now. If it's in book it really makes no move of its own and if it would; it would probably be inferior.
Nah, I haven't confused myself, I said something a little bit different than I meant. I meant that after 1.e4 e5 it's still "in book" and that brute engine calculation is pretty much inferior to opening theory.
For instance if I let Crafty play itself, I get the opening 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qe6+... great move!
Also, Crafty is not so bad. Crafty 20.1 is easily at least 2200 on engine rating lists. Also, Crafty is just above 2600 on ICC.