Originally posted by sonhouseFunny thing about that argument, refraction of light.
Here is the reason using lasers to find the curvature of Earth fails:
https://www.metabunk.org/earth-curvature-refraction-experiments-debunking-flat-concave-earth.t6042/
Light gets refracted by the atmosphere and you have to introduce a factor that can under the best conditions, eliminate that error and give a true curve.
Now even kids can do the a ...[text shortened]... path of light downwards so you can see it many more miles than you would without the refraction.
This is inevitably at least part of the response when dismissing the visibility of distant objects which should otherwise be below the horizon and thus the line of sight for the viewer's vantage point.
I say "inevitably" because the argument will first center around one of the four aspects otherwise termed superior mirage, namely, looming.
Once every condition of looming is eliminated, the argument will eventually diminish into the retreat position of refraction of light--- as though it is the fail safe, the get-out-of-jail-free card which makes all the problems go away.
Any now we get to the funny thing.
Superior mirages only happen within certain atmospheric parameters.
The same holds true for refraction of light.
So the argument which is intended to explain how distant objects can be visible from a vantage point otherwise beyond the horizon necessarily requires that such visibility only be possible under specific atmospheric conditions, i.e., temperature sensitive.
However, as has been repeatedly and consistently demonstrated, this is simply not the case.
Distant objects are visible from ten, twenty, thirty, upwards of sixty miles--- and beyond--- under every temperature condition at any time of day or night.
The only "condition" which blocks the visibility: actual atmospheric conditions related to normal visibility, i.e., rain, clouds, fog, smog, mist or etc..
If you have a pipe, you are welcome to put that in it and have a good toke or three...
Originally posted by sonhouseClaiming that NASA lies is now considered a non-response.
I have no doubt he will come up with yet another stupid non-response:
YOU TELL ME WHY NASA LIES.
Or some variation on that theme.
He just doesn't get the refraction effect of using a laser, thinking a laser always goes in a straight line.
It would on the moon.
So his answer there would be, till someone on the moon does that experiment, I ...[text shortened]... yeah, I forgot another paranoid scene:
THAT PHOTO IS TOTALLY FAKED. Photoshopped all the way.
That's rich.
If I were on your side of this losing argument, I would have countered with something along the lines of:
"Give me one--- ONE example of NASA lying."
Not that I'm trying to tell you how to argue, of course.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI watched it twice and laughed both times.
Damn!
He--- and they--- totally [b]demolished those few strawmen arguments!
And with such panache and humor!
What in the world will I do with my time now?
Got any leads on the whole 9/11 issue, or maybe JFK?[/b]
Why not shake it up a little and argue the case for Bigfoot.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo did you view the image of ISS I sent? I see no response for that.
Claiming that NASA lies is now considered a non-response.
That's rich.
If I were on your side of this losing argument, I would have countered with something along the lines of:
"Give me one--- [b]ONE example of NASA lying."
Not that I'm trying to tell you how to argue, of course.[/b]
AND what the hell does NASA lying have to do with the shape of Earth?
Further, you tell ME with proof, what NASA was lying about.
Is this lying bit something to do with your flat Earth BS?
Take a look at the ISS image I posted and THEN tell me it was taken with a fish eye lens or some crap.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhich one do you want?
So did you view the image of ISS I sent? I see no response for that.
AND what the hell does NASA lying have to do with the shape of Earth?
Further, you tell ME with proof, what NASA was lying about.
Is this lying bit something to do with your flat Earth BS?
Take a look at the ISS image I posted and THEN tell me it was taken with a fish eye lens or some crap.
Let's start with some of NASA's legacy of lies.
Two words:
Blue Marble.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo THAT picture was faked? Did you look at the image I provided a few posts back showing the curve of Earth and the ISS in the same image? I suppose that was faked too?
Which one do you want?
Let's start with some of NASA's legacy of lies.
Two words:
Blue Marble.
Is the moon supposed to be flat also? Is Jupiter flat? Is the Sun flat?
Look at this site:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
The first video of Earth from space, 1959 BEFORE NASA EXISTED:
Well well, whaddya know. The Russians also took a very detailed picture of Earth:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/12/3016254/russian-satellite-earth-from-space-121-megapixels
I guess the Russians are in on this vast international conspiracy now.
OMG. Now the Chinese are in on the conspiracy:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/10/30/chang_e_5_photo_of_moon_and_earth.html
Even ESA is in on the vast international conspiracy now;
http://www.esa.int/spaceinvideos/Videos/2014/12/Alexander_Gerst_s_Earth_timelapses
BTW these last images, like the post I made a few days ago debunks your fisheye lens argument. If you notice, the line of the ISS in my first post is straight as an arrow yet Earth is clearly curved. You don't get that with a fisheye, the ISS would be just as curved.
Same with the ESA videos, some of the images shows the solar panels being in a perfectly straight line but Earth is curved.
Originally posted by sonhouseI know you rather fancy the conspiracy ideas, for whatever reason.
So THAT picture was faked? Did you look at the image I provided a few posts back showing the curve of Earth and the ISS in the same image? I suppose that was faked too?
Is the moon supposed to be flat also? Is Jupiter flat? Is the Sun flat?
Look at this site:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
The f ...[text shortened]... ome of the images shows the solar panels being in a perfectly straight line but Earth is curved.
I'm going to guess you glom onto it because it's easier to dismiss a perspective if you can ascribe any level of imbalanced thinking to it.
It's kinda cute, really.
That's an awesome looking picture of a perfectly round earth.
All of them.
Any of them.
How do they get what the clown Neil deGrasse Tyson emphatically and confidently describes as an "oblate spheroid" look so incredibly and undeniably perfectly round?
I can find thousands upon thousands of similar pictures; I have just as much access to the web as pretty much anyone else.
They prove an ability to surf the web.
What you are lacking is an analysis of those pictures.
Take the other space programs out of the picture and devote yourself to ALL of the images NASA has presented as its rendition of the earth.
See if you can discern what makes them unusual.
Thousands and thousands of other people have examined NASA's pictures thoroughly and found quite a few things completely wrong with them.
Let's see what you come up with... assuming you can put aside the conspiracy aspect.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI like this one.Nice colours!
I know you rather fancy the conspiracy ideas, for whatever reason.
I'm going to guess you glom onto it because it's easier to dismiss a perspective if you can ascribe any level of imbalanced thinking to it.
It's kinda cute, really.
That's an awesome looking picture of a perfectly round earth.
All of them.
Any of them.
How do they get what the clown ...[text shortened]... with them.
Let's see what you come up with... assuming you can put aside the conspiracy aspect.
http://www.gfz-potsdam.de/uploads/pics/Geoid_2011_thumb_02.jpg
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Originally posted by sonhousehttp://gigapan.com/gigapans/103187
So THAT picture was faked? Did you look at the image I provided a few posts back showing the curve of Earth and the ISS in the same image? I suppose that was faked too?
Is the moon supposed to be flat also? Is Jupiter flat? Is the Sun flat?
Look at this site:
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
The f ...[text shortened]... ome of the images shows the solar panels being in a perfectly straight line but Earth is curved.
That's the image titled "Planet Earth" and described as "The Highest Resolution Imageof our Planet" on the website.
Zoom way in to the edges of the perfect circle.
Weird how it starts to stair step all the way around, huh.
Also on the Russian one you linked, watch the actual video provided of (what they described as a stationary) satellite 35K above the Indian Ocean.
Pay close attention to the reflection of the sun on the surface of the earth and see if you catch any anomalies therein.
If that's not enough, watch the Gerth's time lapse around the 4:30 mark and pay special focus on the upper right hand of this great big round earth: somehow the globe develops a massive, continent-size crater!
Scientists hate it!
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou keep harping on your hard on against NASA but I showed you similar images by several other countries who would have real motive to prove NASA faked anything. The fact the took similar images, what, shows they are in on the big conspiracy too?
http://gigapan.com/gigapans/103187
That's the image titled "Planet Earth" and described as "The Highest Resolution Image[hidden]always that term, "image" instead of picture, for some odd reason[/hidden]of our Planet" on the website.
Zoom way in to the edges of the perfect circle.
Weird how it starts to stair step all the way around, huh.
BTW, you talk about the stairstep in images like you don't know about pixilization and such? If we had maybe giga trillion pixel camera it wouldn't show such stuff and go down to where you could see a fly poop but get smaller and you would STILL find pixels so all that shows is you know nothing about digital photography,
You are quickly going from stupid to just boring.
