Unvaxxed Patient DENIED Kidney Transplant

@zahlanzi said
"Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others."
Life is unfair.
In this case however unvaccinated (through a personal ignorant decision) people deserve the abuse.
"Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney."
The system isn't perfect.
If you get a disease through a personal lifestyle choice and you don't convince the transplant commi ...[text shortened]... last forever
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

Funny how you only get chicken pox once. B memory portion of the immune system gives permanent immunity.

See my thread about the new study.

@kewpie said
Why would you waste a scarce health resource (a healthy kidney) on a patient who doesn't care about risking the lives and families of surgery workers? Let's get real here. If that patient gets Covid that precious kidney's been completely wasted.

do we eliminate healthcare for the obese? smokers? drug addicts? alcoholics? etc?

Read the science in the first post.

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/new-study-natural-immunity-stronger-than-vax.190716

@eladar said
Funny how you only get chicken pox once. B memory portion of the immune system gives permanent immunity.

See my thread about the new study.

"Funny how you only get chicken pox once. B memory portion of the immune system gives permanent immunity."
Funny how covid and chicken pox aren't the same fukin thing

"See my thread about the new study."
Hell fukin no. I could watch paint dry and it would be more informative

@kewpie said
Why would you waste a scarce health resource (a healthy kidney) on a patient who doesn't care about risking the lives and families of surgery workers? Let's get real here. If that patient gets Covid that precious kidney's been completely wasted.

That's insane.

If the patient gets COVID, there's a 99% chance the patient recovers and lives a happy and healthy life thereafter.

@zahlanzi said
"Funny how you only get chicken pox once. B memory portion of the immune system gives permanent immunity."
Funny how covid and chicken pox aren't the same fukin thing

"See my thread about the new study."
Hell fukin no. I could watch paint dry and it would be more informative

Stay ignorant if you like. I guess it makes it easier for you to be you.

@sh76 said
That's insane.

If the patient gets COVID, there's a 99% chance the patient recovers and lives a happy and healthy life thereafter.

until he gets covid(19 or by the way things are going 20 or 21 or delta, psi, lambda omega or whatever variant) again?

@zahlanzi said
until he gets covid(19 or by the way things are going 20 or 21 or delta, psi, lambda omega or whatever variant) again?

After he gets COVID the first time, he will be approximately on the same level as someone vaccinated but not previously infected.

@eladar said
Stay ignorant if you like. I guess it makes it easier for you to be you.

i am pretty comfortable with my level of what you perceive to be ignorance. I am not the one who likened chicken pox to covid.

@sh76 said
After he gets COVID the first time, he will be approximately on the same level as someone vaccinated but not previously infected.

for like 90 days and very not on the same levels.

Edit: sorry, I forgot the link you could ignore:
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

@zahlanzi said
for like 90 days and very not on the same levels.

90 days? Where do you see that?

Getting vaccinated helps whether you've been infected or not (vax+infection is the highest level), but on vaxxed-not-infected vs. infected-not-vaxxed, the jury is very much still out.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/94258

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

@sh76 said
90 days? Where do you see that?

Getting vaccinated helps whether you've been infected or not (vax+infection is the highest level), but on vaxxed-not-infected vs. infected-not-vaxxed, the jury is very much still out.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/94258

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

have you read the third link until the end? or you just read the title like you usually do?

@eladar said
I suppose anyone who smoked should not get a lung transplant.

I'm fine with ex-smokers getting lung transplants. I'm also fine with active smokers not getting them.

And yes, I'm also fine with someone who, after refusing vaccination, changes his mind and gets them after all, being given a transplant.

Choices have consequences and organs are scarce. Tough on you proud boys, but so it goes.

@Eladar
For you, ignorant means not agreeing with you.

@zahlanzi said
have you read the third link until the end? or you just read the title like you usually do?

I read the entire article several times, when it was published back in August.

It has the usual weasel-wording about how unsure we are and it emphasizes how awesome the vax is even if you are previously infected, but there is NO data anywhere that shows conclusively that non-infected-vaxxed is better than vax-non-infected.