21 Jul 16
Originally posted by Great King Rata man gets shot by a police officer while sitting on the ground with his hands up after having done nothing bad.
Deal with what, exactly?
What is it that you want me to do with "Zahlanzi's Wacky News Story Of The Day"?
Wacky is the word you use to describe this story? are you a 20's cartoon villain?
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by ZahlanziFair enough.
"yet another example of police brutality, of a man shot by a scared little coward with insufficient training"
argument: american police needs to undergo reforms so that this kind of "random news story" (please be more of an insensitive douche, you are too subtle) happen less.
also, the nonexistence of an argument still doesn't mean you didn't commit Ad hominem in yours. you still attacked the person rather than the "random news story"
My argument: romanian police needs to undergo reforms so that this kind of "random news story" (please be more of an insensitive douche, you are too subtle) happen less.
So, what are we going to do about Romania, mr. Holier-Than-Thou?
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by Great King Ratwon't answer here, not related to the topic (originally american police brutality, turned into "explain to the rat what Ad Hominem means" after you derailed it)
Fair enough.
My argument: romanian police needs to undergo reforms so that this kind of "random news story" (please be more of an insensitive douche, you are too subtle) happen less.
So, what are we going to do about Romania, mr. Holier-Than-Thou?
make a separate topic and see who is interested.
21 Jul 16
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Originally posted by Great King RatThe main point is how will the police department and the justice department deal with this case. I had a friend get in the way of a shootout between a bad guy and the cops and he got shot in his elbow in the crossfire, proven it was a cop bullet that got him.
Yes, I am a 20s cartoon villain.
Obviously he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. The cop was just doing his job in a bad situation as best he could but an innocent bystander got shot anyway
and the result was a shattered elbow, fixed eventually with several surgeries but he also got a fat insurance settlement to and he lived through the ordeal, as painful as it obviously would have been to anyone in that situation.
The thing that happened here in the case of the therapist and autistic man V cop should not have happened also but it is what happens next that will decide whether in injustice will have happened.
We can't analyse the situation from a distance like that, not having been there. The cop in question might have THOUGHT the toy truck was some kind of weapon like a gun and it might be a case of not being properly trained in such situations. You can be sure if there is good police leadership the training will include such situations and what to do in such cases but there are a million ways for psychological misunderstandings so such things will undoubtedly happen in the future, not all cops are trained the same in all states and counties.
In a perfect world, there would be perfect cops who would always see the bigger picture and pull out a taser instead of a 45 or a baton instead of a taser or whatever, to always be able to analyse a situation instantly and use the appropriate force and sometimes lethal force IS called for but cops are human and therefore prone to their biases which has to be weeded out for all cops but that is not going to happen and there will be white cops after blacks personally or hispanics or Asians, whatever. We just have to be more diligent and weed that kind out of the force. For instance, if there was a black cop who hated white folks, HE or she has to be weeded out also.
But good luck getting all cops everywhere to be free of such bias. There is also just plain stupidity but that should be easier to suss out.
21 Jul 16
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Originally posted by Zahlanziwon't answer here
won't answer here, not related to the topic (originally american police brutality, turned into "explain to the rat what Ad Hominem means" after you derailed it)
make a separate topic and see who is interested.
Wise choice 😉
Mr. Holier-Than-Thou doesn't deal in solutions, does he?
You remind me of a left-wing version of Whodey. And yes, you can take that as an Ad Hominem. To both you and Whodey.
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by Great King Rator i don't feel the need to humor a troll by answering HIS question in the thread I created about something completely different, thread which he derailed?
[b]won't answer here
Wise choice 😉
Mr. Holier-Than-Thou doesn't deal in solutions, does he?[/b]
which do you think is more likely?
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by sonhouse"The cop in question might have THOUGHT the toy truck was some kind of weapon like a gun and it might be a case of not being properly trained in such situations."
The main point is how will the police department and the justice department deal with this case. I had a friend get in the way of a shootout between a bad guy and the cops and he got shot in his elbow in the crossfire, proven it was a cop bullet that got him.
Obviously he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. The cop was just doing his job i ...[text shortened]... be free of such bias. There is also just plain stupidity but that should be easier to suss out.
as far as i know, it wasn't the autistic man with the toy truck that was shot, it was the black guy lying on the ground with his hands up.
"In a perfect world, there would be perfect cops who would always see the bigger picture and pull out a taser instead of a 45"
the thing is, there are already such cops (not perfect, but definitely better).
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/8-white-people-who-pointed-guns-police-officers-and-managed-not-get-killed
they did their jobs there. they took risks to their own personal safety and handled those situations admirably.
White men pointed guns at police officers, some even shot at them, yet the officers managed to take them into custody without anyone dying. \
Black 12 year old plays with a toy gun, gets shot. Black man mentions he has a legal firearm, gets shot. Black man lies on the ground, gets shot.
Do you see a difference in how matters are handled?
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by ZahlanziSince you ask, I think it's more likely you're mr. Holier-Than-Thou feeling quite pleased with himself highlighting social problems in other countries but his own.
or i don't feel the need to humor a troll by answering HIS question in the thread I created about something completely different, thread which he derailed?
which do you think is more likely?
21 Jul 16
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Originally posted by Great King RatI have read it several times. It still implies a false dichotomy. ie it still implies that you believe there are only two choices, Romania or the US. And the context in which you said it implied that we should therefore not be complaining about the US.
Jesus Christ Monkeyballs.
Read the bolded part man.
No, I'd rather live by American standards. Bad, don't get me wrong. But not nearly as bad as Romania.
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadNo, it doesn't, unless you want it to. The two countries specifically mentioned in this thread were the US and Romania, which is why I mentioned America as an alternative to violent Romania. And you're a smart fellow meaning you understood this well enough. You just chose to read it that way because you wanted to. Because don't we all love to throw out a "False Dichotomy!!", "Ad Hominem!!!", "GODWINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" or something similar every now and then?
I have read it several times. It still implies a false dichotomy. ie it still implies that you believe there are only two choices, Romania or the US. And the context in which you said it implied that we should therefore not be complaining about the US.
But if you wanna get all anal about it, when given the choice it would want to live neither in violent America nor in violent Romania.
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhy are you so obsessed with US police?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/miami-police-shooting-charles-kinsey-1.3688309
The Miami Herald cites North Miami Assistant Police Chief Neal Cuevas as saying officers responded to the scene Monday, where they began giving orders to 47-year-old Charles Kinsey and his 23-year-old patient to lie on the ground.
Kinsey lies down and tries to get his patient ...[text shortened]... shooting has not yet been named.
The shooting itself was not caught on the cell phone camera.
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by vivifyI kid you not, the police officer who shot the unarmed behavioral specialist says he actually meant to SHOOT THE AUTISTIC PATIENT and shot the man on accident. It's all too outrageous to believe. The young man didn't even have a gun but had a toy truck.
So let's get this straight: unarmed black man (again) in a subdued, nonviolent position (again) gets shot (again) while not resisting arrest....and conservatives here just want to bitch about word terminology, rather than acknowledge the unjust shooting?
https://www.facebook.com/7NewsMiami/videos/10153828876112613/
21 Jul 16
Originally posted by Great King RatLanguage is often ambiguous, but given the context, mine is the most reasonable reading.
No, it doesn't, unless you want it to.
The two countries specifically mentioned in this thread were the US and Romania,
With Romania seemingly being mentioned to belittle the complaints about the US.
which is why I mentioned America as an alternative to violent Romania.
It didn't seem that way.
And you're a smart fellow meaning you understood this well enough.
Clearly not. And in case you are misunderstanding me, I am not saying the dichotomy is 'Romania' or 'US' I am saying it is 'Worse than US' or 'US'. I am not saying that actually there is Uganda as a third alternative thus it is a false dichotomy, I am saying you were implying that there is no chance of improving the US and the only alternative to living in the US as it is, is to move elsewhere (Romania perhaps).
You just chose to read it that way because you wanted to.
I read it that way because that is how you came across.
But if you wanna get all anal about it,
I don't particularly, and am surprised that you seem to want to.