@Pianoman1 saidYou are making a rhetorical point about hypocrisy, !! There is no Iran comparison.
Remember that appalling bullying session at the White House some time ago when the autocrat Trump leaned aggressively towards Zelensky, jabbing his trigger-happy finger at him, and accused him of starting WW3 (with sickeningly fawning nods of approval from Vance)? Seems pretty ironic now.
Ukraine is defending itself against Russia after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Iran is a different situation , their own actions have brought this on. Not so with Ukraine. And why mention Trump and Vance, their personalities, this is a policy question.. you try to prove the same point using two unrelated situations. Pitiful.
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@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
You have completely missed the point!
It is irrelevant whether Iran’s tyrannical theocracy brought this on, or whether Ukraine was innocently aggressively invaded by Putin.
It seems I have to repeat my thesis: the would-be Nobel Peace Prize seeking Trump on the one hand accused Zelenskyy of starting WW3 and is now hypocritically possibly (but unlikely) the instigator of WW3 by his idiotic, maniacal and bullish (and bullyish) behaviour. I repeat: Vance is a sycophantic lapdog completely under Trump’s control. Shame on him. And shame on you for your rather pathetic response.
@Pianoman1 saidSilly goose. And you get so emotional, a lib trait, as you cast insults and common rhetoric.
@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
You have completely missed the point!
It is irrelevant whether Iran’s tyrannical theocracy brought this on, or whether Ukraine was innocently aggressively invaded by Putin.
It seems I have to repeat my thesis: the would-be Nobel Peace Prize seeking Trump on the one hand accused Zelenskyy of starting WW3 and is now hypocritically possibly (but ...[text shortened]... ompletely under Trump’s control. Shame on him. And shame on you for your rather pathetic response.
You have two main problems .
You present speculation as fact. You say that Trump is possibly the instigator of World War III. That is not evidence , it is not worth my time. Many leaders have used force without it triggering a world war. You are so naïve. You say Donald Trump is “possibly the instigator of WW3.” But that’s speculation, not evidence. Next, you ‘assume’ that if the U.S. responds to aggression, the U.S. is responsible for escalation. That logic would mean any defensive action risks “starting WW3,”. Silly guy. This is your exact stupid point…..that is the exact criticism that you say was unfairly made toward Volodymyr Zelenskyy during the Russian invasion of Ukraine by Vladimir Putin.!!!!
In other words, the real question is: Who is responsible for escalation—the aggressor, or the person responding to it??
I understand your point—you’re arguing that Trump criticized Zelenskyy for risking WW3 but may now be risking escalation himself.
But your ‘prediction’ that Trump starts a war. Yawn. Try facts to gain more credibility with your posts. Only Sonhouse gets to predict.
@Pianoman1 saidLet me be clear. Note all of these assertions in your posts, to wit….
@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
You have completely missed the point!
It is irrelevant whether Iran’s tyrannical theocracy brought this on, or whether Ukraine was innocently aggressively invaded by Putin.
It seems I have to repeat my thesis: the would-be Nobel Peace Prize seeking Trump on the one hand accused Zelenskyy of starting WW3 and is now hypocritically possibly (but ...[text shortened]... ompletely under Trump’s control. Shame on him. And shame on you for your rather pathetic response.
Iran has done no damage to the U.S.
Jimmy Carter protected a war criminal
Iran is still striking U.S. bases
Oil tankers cannot pass the Strait
Donald Trump is lying
Trump bombed a girls’ school
Trump may start WW3
J. D. Vance is a “lapdog”
You should feel shame
That is not one argument. It is a cascade of accusations. The goal (consciously or not) is that you cannot realistically answer everything. You attempt to confuse AvJoe?!?
So, You’ve raised a lot of different claims at once. Let’s take them one at a time. Which single point do you think is the strongest?
BTW shaming me personally? Not logical. Spock would be unimpressed, as surely anyone reading this would be..
@AverageJoe1 saidYou're a complete stranger to the truth.
Let me be clear. Note all of these assertions in your posts, to wit….
Iran has done no damage to the U.S.
Jimmy Carter protected a war criminal
Iran is still striking U.S. bases
Oil tankers cannot pass the Strait
Donald Trump is lying
Trump bombed a girls’ school
Trump may start WW3
J. D. Vance is a “lapdog”
Yo ...[text shortened]... ing me personally? Not logical. Spock would be unimpressed, as surely anyone reading this would be..
This is the danger of "media sources" like Fox News.
Truth is not dependent on whether you like it or not.
@AverageJoe1 saidUgh.
Silly goose. And you get so emotional, a lib trait, as you cast insults and common rhetoric.
You have two main problems .
You present speculation as fact. You say that Trump is possibly the instigator of World War III. That is not evidence , it is not worth my time. Many leaders have used force without it triggering a world war. You are so naïve. You say Dona ...[text shortened]... s a war. Yawn. Try facts to gain more credibility with your posts. Only Sonhouse gets to predict.
Don't be "that guy".
You know, the guy who, the more they are wrong, the louder they get.
@Pianoman1 saidEven more, now Trump is asking Zeleskyy for help dealing with the same Iranian drones Ukraine has had to deal with, Russian-made drones of Iranian design.
Remember that appalling bullying session at the White House some time ago when the autocrat Trump leaned aggressively towards Zelensky, jabbing his trigger-happy finger at him, and accused him of starting WW3 (with sickeningly fawning nods of approval from Vance)? Seems pretty ironic now.
That's a lot of chutzpah.
"Hey, you suck! Uhhh, wanna help me out?"
@Suzianne saidWhen u say that about FOX, you never add to your comment that MSNBC and CNN have often published incorrect information and have had to retract it many times over.
You're a complete stranger to the truth.
This is the danger of "media sources" like Fox News.
Truth is not dependent on whether you like it or not.
You and playnano make a good team
@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
Please read my posts fully before replying.
I did not predict that Trump will start WW3. I said “possibly, but unlikely”.
Again you have ignored the irony of my post.
If you are not worried about the escalation of hostilities that Trump has started, about about the fragility of world economic markets that Trump has caused, about the arrogance of his power politics strengthening ties between Russia, China and North Korea (also Brazil, South Africa and Mexico) with Iran and its puppet proxies, about the slightest possibility of WW3, then I suggest you remove your MAGA blindfold (with its faux Christian ideology) and wake up to the sharp reality that Trump is an unhinged narcissist and a great danger to world peace.
Also, please refrain from ad hominem insults. They are demeaning and unworthy.
@Pianoman1 saidGREAT post.
@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
Please read my posts fully before replying.
I did not predict that Trump will start WW3. I said “possibly, but unlikely”.
Again you have ignored the irony of my post.
If you are not worried about the escalation of hostilities that Trump has started, about about the fragility of world economic markets that Trump has caused, about the a ...[text shortened]... er to world peace.
Also, please refrain from ad hominem insults. They are demeaning and unworthy.
@AverageJoe1 saidwho?
When u say that about FOX, you never add to your comment that MSNBC and CNN have often published incorrect information and have had to retract it many times over.
You and playnano make a good team
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@Pianoman1 saidMAGA = "faux Christian ideology"
@AverageJoe1
@AverageJoe1
Please read my posts fully before replying.
I did not predict that Trump will start WW3. I said “possibly, but unlikely”.
Again you have ignored the irony of my post.
If you are not worried about the escalation of hostilities that Trump has started, about about the fragility of world economic markets that Trump has caused, about the a ...[text shortened]... er to world peace.
Also, please refrain from ad hominem insults. They are demeaning and unworthy.
Bravo!