20 Jul 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraso a 10 week old fetus is not a human? What proof do you have of that?
I just think the lives and the quality of life of those already living is more important than potential lives. Are couples who have less than the maximum number of possible children also murderers? In the end, it comes down to the arbitrary definition of "human" - and I'm sure you will claim that a human gets a soul once a sperm and egg cell fuse. Howev ...[text shortened]... l, therefore it's irrelevant and any boundary between human and non-human will be arbitrary.
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraNo evidence of God? The sun goes up and down every day without fail, the stars, solar system, etc. You really 'see' no proof of a God, or even the potential for one?
[b]Is there evidence for the existence of God?
No.
"Human and non-human", like animals?
What?[/b]
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenSure, there is the potential for an infinity of possible gods, but no evidence.
No evidence of God? The sun goes up and down every day without fail, the stars, solar system, etc. You really 'see' no proof of a God, or even the potential for one?
By the way, us physicists have some pretty nice explanations for those things.
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenHow is that evidence of god specifically?
No evidence of God? The sun goes up and down every day without fail, the stars, solar system, etc. You really 'see' no proof of a God, or even the potential for one?
The sun going up and down every day is evidence that the earth revolves around the sun and that our theory of gravity is at least pretty accurate 🙂
20 Jul 09
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Originally posted by PsychoPawnIt's circumstantial evidence but with a little common sense you can draw a reasonable conclusion that one is not man made. A murderer can be convicted with circumstantial evidence---much less cirucmstantial evidence than we have for a God.
How is that evidence of god specifically?
The sun going up and down every day is evidence that the earth revolves around the sun and that our theory of gravity is at least pretty accurate 🙂
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYou said "However, you cannot support that statement with any evidence since there is no evidence for the existence of the soul, therefore it's irrelevant and any boundary between human and non-human will be arbitrary".
[b]Is there evidence for the existence of God?
No.
"Human and non-human", like animals?
What?[/b]
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58Yes. So what do you mean by "human and non-human, like animals"?
You said "However, you cannot support that statement with any evidence since there is no evidence for the existence of the soul, therefore it's irrelevant and any boundary between human and non-human will be arbitrary".
20 Jul 09
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Originally posted by daniel58…they don't realize that it IS a child just not grown-up yet,
That's what the problem is with people that are "pro-death" or pro-abortion" or whatever you want to call them, they don't realize that it IS a child just not grown-up yet, so if I gave you your future wife (or whatever) in a pot of soil and told you to water the plant every day even though it doesn't look human it will one day, and how do you know when it looks "human-enough"? Even though you shouldn't kill it in the first place.
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Does this apply to a newly fertilised egg?
If so, then the same can be said about our skin cells: -you can be cloned from a skin cell so a skin cell has a potential to become a child!
So does that mean if you kill a skin cell (by, for example applying an injection for medication) you are a “MURDER!!!” ?
Similarly, every time you brush you teeth you are rubbing off and killing some of your surface gum cells each of which has the potential of becoming another human being through cloning.
So does that mean to brush you teeth is “MURDER!!!” ?
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonNo it doesn't BECOME a child but will change the development of the child, so if someone sawed off a kids leg then it would grow up differently, but it wouldn't have to die.
[b]…they don't realize that it IS a child just not grown-up yet,
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Does this apply to a newly fertilised egg?
If so, then the same can be said about our skin cells: -you can be cloned from a skin cell so a skin cell has a potential to become a child!
So does that mean if you kill a skin cell (by, for example applying an injection for med ...[text shortened]... ing another human being through cloning.
So does that mean to brush you teeth is “MURDER!!!” ?[/b]
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58……No it doesn't BECOME a child
No it doesn't BECOME a child but will change the development of the child, so if someone sawed off a kids leg then it would grow up differently, but it wouldn't have to die.
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I was talking about skin cells etc -I didn’t say the WILL become a child but rather they CAN become a child if they are cloned.
…but will CHANGE the development of the child, so if someone sawed off a kids leg then it would grow up differently, but it wouldn't have to die.
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What will “CHANGE the development of the child”?
What are you referring to here?
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonA SKIN CELL DOES NOT BECOME A CHILD!!!
[b]……No it doesn't BECOME a child
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I was talking about skin cells etc -I didn’t say the WILL become a child but rather they CAN become a child if they are cloned.
…but will CHANGE the development of the child, so if someone sawed off a kids leg then it would grow up differently, but it wouldn't have to die.
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What will “CHANGE the development of the child”?
What are you referring to here?[/b]
20 Jul 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenWith a little common sense you can see that this is just an example of the argument from incredulity and not really evidence at all.
It's circumstantial evidence but with a little common sense you can draw a reasonable conclusion that one is not man made. A murderer can be convicted with circumstantial evidence---much less cirucmstantial evidence than we have for a God.
Just because you can't think of another way doesn't mean that it counts as evidence.