As I posted on another thread, at the suggestion of KN and Generalissimo, I took this political compass test. I was a bit confused by the results, as it put me well to the left of almost every mainstream American Democratic politician.
Obviously, that's not inherently meaningful regarding the test itself. But, I did think the questions were worded in a manner that makes the "left" side sound more reasonable and the "right" side sound more extreme. The way they rank politicians is obviously not from test results, because I'm sure politicians rarely take the test. They take the candidate's positions and loosely use them to answer the questions.
So, to test the test so to speak, I propose discussing each question, one at a time. I'll keep an informal survey of how the forum in general responds to each question. I'm curious to see if even the "right wingers" on this forum end up looking like centrists based on the test. If so, it's probably an issue with the test. If not, then I'm really much more liberal than I think I am.
Each question has 4 choices:
Strongly disagree
Disagree
Agree
Strongly Agree
First question
"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."
My answer: Agree
I think this is the first of many loaded questions. The policy at issue is really whether corporations should be forced by governments to sacrifice profits for the government-determined best interest of society. Hence, although ideally the interest of humanity should be served by globalization, of course, I cannot say that I "strongly agree."
Frankly, I think the question should have been worded something like:
"If economic globalisation is inevitable, governments should impose comprehensive regulations on trans-national corporations to put the over-all interests of humanity over the interests of the individual corporations."
If the question were worded like that, I'd be ambivalent about what to answer, but I'd lean towards "Disagree."
Originally posted by sh76You raised some interesting points.
As I posted on another thread, at the suggestion of KN and Generalissimo, I took this political compass test. I was a bit confused by the results, as it put me well to the left of almost every mainstream American Democratic politician.
Obviously, that's not inherently meaningful regarding the test itself. But, I did think the questions were worded in a manne I'd be ambivalent about what to answer, but I'd lean towards "Disagree."
I think its worth pointing out, that not only the majority of questions (if not all) have a tilt (to the left) but are also limited to left-right position, no matter how ambiguous the question is.
For example, "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong", if you say you strongly agree you're hard right, and if you say strongly disagree you're hard left. I wonder, are left-wingers incapable of supporting their country? are right-wingers blind patriots? No, to both questions. So I think that's one of the survey's problems.
Originally posted by generalissimoWell, that's why they have the "middle" positions; so I don't have a problem with that aspect of the test.
You raised some interesting points.
I think its worth pointing out, that not only the majority of questions (if not all) have a tilt (to the left) but are also limited to left-right position, no matter how ambiguous the question is.
For example, "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong", if you say you strongly agree you're ...[text shortened]... rs blind patriots? No, to both questions. So I think that's one of the survey's problems.
A fifth choice "Ambivalent" might help though.
Originally posted by sh76Yes, but my point was that the question is locked in a left-right result , a left-winger is not necessarialy non-patriotic, and a right-winger is not necessarialy patriotic.
Well, that's why they have the "middle" positions; so I don't have a problem with that aspect of the test.
A fifth choice "Ambivalent" might help though.
the same goes for the question about religious values, and sex-related questions.
Originally posted by FMFI think that's part of generalissimo's point:
How is this an example of "left tilt"?
He's saying that this isn't really a "left-right" question and yet the test still uses the takers answer to place him to the right or left of the spectrum.
Then again, maybe that question only is used for the y-axis of the spectrum (the authoritarian-libertarian axis) determination. I guess you can argue more supporting one's country means more authoritarian and less libertarian. Maybe that answers your question, Generalissimo?
Originally posted by sh76So why is that a tilt to the left? Why isn't it simply seen as an oversimplification or an error? What's "leftist" about the built in place-on -the-axis assumption? You've got hard left nationalists on one had, and hard left workers of the world unite anti-nationalists on the other. So if what you say about the axis thing is true it seems in 'error'. But what's "leftist" about the 'error' you have identified?
I think that's part of generalissimo's point:
He's saying that this isn't really a "left-right" question and yet the test still uses the takers answer to place him to the right or left of the spectrum.
The first question is indeed biased left. Interests should benefit humanit? duh, but how do you achieve any tough call on which rules and do you tax and regulate businesses heavily or lightly to achieve that...
patriotism is indeed a questionable measure of the things the test claims to measure.
Originally posted by sh76My answer is still 'strongly agree.' Nothing has changed.
As I posted on another thread, at the suggestion of KN and Generalissimo, I took this political compass test. I was a bit confused by the results, as it put me well to the left of almost every mainstream American Democratic politician.
Obviously, that's not inherently meaningful regarding the test itself. But, I did think the questions were worded in a manne ...[text shortened]... I'd be ambivalent about what to answer, but I'd lean towards "Disagree."
Originally posted by sh76Something that pushes people toward a liberal position is unquestionably a good thing. The test, therefore, becomes a tool of social progress. If anything, it should be skewed even more to push people into becoming positive left wingers. Maybe something like this:
Okay; so you truly do have the liberal position on this issue. But I think that for people on the fence, the wording of the question pushes people towards the "liberal" position.
"If the scourge of economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of mercenary robber barons."
Originally posted by sh76Being against economic globalisation is a liberal position when it is evident that its implementation is serving the interests of mercenary robber barons rather than humanity as a whole.
I don't think that being against economic globalisation is necessarily a liberal position.
Originally posted by sh76I guess it depends on what you mean by 'liberal.' The term 'neoliberalism' is actually an embodiment of globalism, privatization, "free" trade, and "free" markets. Something that most people (in the US at least) would characterize as being conservative, not liberal.
I don't think that being against economic globalisation is necessarily a liberal position.
Originally posted by sh76I took the test and I was exactly where Ghandi was. I know little about him other than I totally disagree whith his definition of terrorism. -1.9 on one scale and -4. something on the other. I didn't write them down before closing the site. I think there is a good chance the test is biased somewhat.
As I posted on another thread, at the suggestion of KN and Generalissimo, I took this political compass test. I was a bit confused by the results, as it put me well to the left of almost every mainstream American Democratic politician.
Obviously, that's not inherently meaningful regarding the test itself. But, I did think the questions were worded in a manne ...[text shortened]... I'd be ambivalent about what to answer, but I'd lean towards "Disagree."