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Originally posted by FMFSo far I think Sonia Sotomayor is putting the czars inside the box. I do not have a good source for that though.
How far into the process has the case reached?
Originally posted by FMFSpeaking of the Constitution, it appears that Sunstien wants to alter it.
Has the case in which it's argued that czars are unconstitutional reached the U.S. Supreme Court?[/b]
Originally posted by whodeyWhat's this got to do with the assertion that czars are unconstitutional?
Speaking of the Constitution, it appears that Sunstien wants to alter it.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109529
He is proposing a second bill of rights, or I should say mandates. It really should be referred to as mandates since we all already have rights to these pursuits just like our Constitutionally protected right to property. H ...[text shortened]... ch sought to change the nature and interpretation of the Constitution by that year.
Originally posted by whodeySo let me summarize what you seem to be saying: the constitution has been effectively suspended because someone or other disagrees with you about it and they want to add stuff to it that will never get past the legislatures anyway.
what does it really matter what the Constitution says? After all, he wants to "interpret" it or "change" certain declarations within it to fit his agendas.
Originally posted by FMFOf course, he has that right provided him by the Constitution. But until then they should respect the Constitution as is.
What's wrong with seeking political and constitutional change?
Originally posted by FMFWhat I am saying is, it matters little if you violate the Constitution...that is if no one holds you accountable. Is anyone holding Obama accountable in regards to the czars? It appears some have made or are making the attempt as has been shown. The question is, will they win the power struggle?
So let me summarize what you seem to be saying: the constitution has been effectively suspended because someone or other disagrees with you about it and they want to add stuff to it that will never get past the legislatures anyway.
Whodey, why can't you discuss these kinds of things seriously?
Originally posted by whodeySo he has the right to seek to change the constitution, as the constitution affords him, but he does not have the right to disrespect the constitution by seeking to change it?
Of course, he has that right provided him by the Constitution. But until then they should respect the Constitution as is.
Originally posted by FMFIn other words, before Obama decides to appoint a bunch of czars it might occur to him to first debate or consider the constitutionality of them. Has he done so with protest such as Senator Byrd in his own party? If so, I have not heard so much as a peep.
So he has the right to seek to change the constitution, as the constitution affords him, but he does not have the right to disrespect the constitution by seeking to change it?
Why can't you just state your view clearly?
What lack of "respect" towards the Constitution are your referring to?
Originally posted by whodeyMaybe they have no case and that's why nothing is happening. Maybe the czars are simply not inconstitutional and no amount of fulmination will make it so unless a case is made and heard and decided upon.
it matters little if you violate the Constitution...that is if no one holds you accountable. Is anyone holding Obama accountable in regards to the czars?
Originally posted by FMFhttp://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/print_friendly.html?page=constitution_transcript_content.html&title=The+Constitution+of+the+United+States%3A+A+Transcription
What's this got to do with the assertion that czars are unconstitutional?
Originally posted by whodeySo you're saying Obama should have taken the case that his czars are unconstitutional before the Supreme Court himself?
In other words, before Obama decides to appoint a bunch of czars it might occur to him to first debate or consider the constitutionality of them.
Originally posted by joe beyserYes thanks. And this is the last American president. And there will be forced innoculations. And American NWO troops will fire on U.S. citizens. And Obama is comparable to Hitler. Blah blah blah.
I doubt that anyone will chalange Barrack Builderberger Obama on it, but it doesn't change the fact he is not following the constitution.
Originally posted by FMFNow your getting it FMF. You must not have gotten your shipment of fish heads or you realized that you are just being used to later be thrown away by your masters. Welcome aboard!! You know that corproratism is helping drive this thing? Early on anyway.
Yes thanks. And this is the last American president. And there will be forced innoculations. And American NWO troops will fire on U.S. citizens. And Obama is comparable to Hitler. Blah blah blah.