Originally posted by generalissimoThe majority of the German people weren't victims of the Holocaust, but that didn't prevent the perpetrators of that crime from winding up on the business end of a hangman's knot.
Im not sure what point you're trying to make.
I never denied there was abuse, nor did I say the dictatorship was right all along, all my posts regarding the subject remain with consistent with the view that it was the lesser of two evils. I think there should be no hypocrisy, if there are going to be prosecutions they should target people on both si ...[text shortened]... all it is, there's no evidence torture and murder happened to the majority of the population.
I have a suggestion for you: since you've never met anyone who was a relative of the victims of your country's dictator, why don't you head down to Goias, find Waldomiro Batista and tell him what you told us on this forum i.e. "the only people who died or were imprisoned were the small minority of communists who fought to install their own dictatorship" or that murdering his sister was the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure that would make for an informative debate.
Originally posted by generalissimoHow nice. Let's also remember that you would have no problem with the state you were living in if it executed homosexuals because - as you said - it wouldn't affect you personally. So there is the measure of you when it comes to supporting/opposing repression and human rights atrocities. You personify the I'm Alright Jack principle.
Unlike you I actually lived in the country, and let me tell you, I never came across anyone who felt they were directly harmed by the dicatorship, they complained the system was undemocratic (which I find perfectly reasonable) , but I never met anyone who had relatives imprisoned or killed by the authorities.
Originally posted by no1marauderTell him to bring TWO pairs of his plastic debating pants.
I have a suggestion for you [generalissimo]: since you've never met anyone who was a relative of the victims of your country's dictator, why don't you head down to Goias, find Waldomiro Batista and tell him what you told us on this forum i.e. "the only people who died or were imprisoned were the small minority of communists who fought to install their ow ...[text shortened]... ister was the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure that would make for an informative debate.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe majority of the German people weren't victims of the Holocaust...
The majority of the German people weren't victims of the Holocaust, but that didn't prevent the perpetrators of that crime from winding up on the business end of a hangman's knot.
I have a suggestion for you: since you've never met anyone who was a relative of the victims of your country's dictator, why don't you head down to Goias, fi ...[text shortened]... er was the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure that would make for an informative debate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
have a suggestion for you: since you've never met anyone who was a relative of the victims of your country's dictator, why don't you head down to Goias, find Waldomiro Batista and tell him what you told us on this forum i.e. "the only people who died or were imprisoned were the small minority of communists who fought to install their own dictatorship" or that murdering his sister was the "lesser of two evils". I'm sure that would make for an informative debate.
Again, no point made.
Pointing out some extreme example doesn't change facts.
Originally posted by generalissimoThe fact is you're an ignorant little fascist who is an apologist for a bunch of murderous thugs.
[/b]The majority of the German people weren't victims of the Holocaust...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
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Again, no point made.
Pointing out some extreme example doesn't change facts.
Originally posted by FMFI really wish you stopped being so pathetic, but you just can't help making ridiculous comments like this, its really unnecessary, if you don't have anything thoughtful to say don't bother posting.
How nice. Let's also remember that you would have no problem with the state you were living in if it executed homosexuals because - as you said - it wouldn't affect you personally. So there is the measure of you when it comes to supporting/opposing repression and human rights atrocities. You personify the I'm Alright Jack principle.
you would have no problem with the state you were living in if it executed homosexuals
I see, you're losing the grip on reality. what are you going to say next? that I approve the killing of jews? or that I kill babies?
EDIT: LOL, this coming from the guy who lives in Indonesia
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Indonesia
So there is the measure of you when it comes to supporting/opposing repression and human rights atrocities
yes, by selectively reading my posts and then misrepresenting them you have a measure of me when it comes to supporting repression and human rights atrocities.
Originally posted by generalissimoIn open debate you said you would have no problem if the country in which you were living executed homosexuals for being homosexual because - as you put it - it wouldn't affect you personally. This is closely related to your assertions about how most people are not personally affected by the repression carried out by a murderous military disctatorship.
by selectively reading my posts and then misrepresenting them you have a measure of me when it comes to supporting repression and human rights atrocities.
Originally posted by generalissimoYou think I bear some responsibility for the human rights situation in Indonesia? When have ever endorsed the perpetration of a human rights atrocity here?
LOL, this coming from the guy who lives in Indonesia
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Indonesia
Originally posted by FMFYou think I bear some responsibility for the murder of innocent people in Brazil?
You think I bear some responsibility for the human rights situation in Indonesia? When have ever endorsed the perpetration of a human rights atrocity here?
When have I ever endorsed the killings of homosexuals?
Originally posted by generalissimoYou bear responsibility for your inarticulate smokescreens and instinctive apologism when it comes to the murder of innocent people in Brazil, as is made apparent by things you have said on this thread.
You think I bear some responsibility for the murder of innocent people in Brazil?
Originally posted by FMFyou said
In open debate you said you would have no problem if the country in which you were living executed homosexuals for being homosexual because - as you put it - it wouldn't affect you personally. This is closely related to your assertions about how most people are not personally affected by the repression carried out by a murderous military disctatorship.
show me the quote where I said I'd have no problem with the killings of homosexuals.
This is closely related to your assertions about how most people are not personally affected by the repression carried out by a murderous military disctatorship.
Well, Im correct, most people were not affected by the military regime in brazil. But thats all I said, it is very dishonest of you to conclude "...therefore generalissimo supports dictatorships..." or any anything similar.
Originally posted by generalissimoIn open debate you stated that you would have no objection if the government, of the country in which you lived, executed homosexuals for being homosexuals. As you put it - it wouldn't affect you personally. In the world of life and death for innocent people and in discussions about justice and human rights, THAT is an endorsement of the killing of homosexuals.
When have I ever endorsed the killings of homosexuals?
Originally posted by generalissimoAnd your "debating skills" are non-existent. You ignore other people's points and refuse to respond in any meaningful way.
your debating skills are impressive, ad hominem attacks, inappropriate generalizations, infantile remarks, etc.
You've been exposed as an apologist and defender of murderers and torturers. You've either lied or are profoundly ignorant of the types of people who were victims of your country's brutal military dictatorship. When faced with that fact, you've changed the subject and even more absurdly, tried to claim that examples of said murder and torture are "extreme" when, in fact, the evidence is that they were widespread (as established by the Archdiocese of Sao Paulo).
You should be deeply ashamed of your claim that the only people were victims of the brutality of the Brazilian dictatorship were "communists who were trying to establish a dictatorship". If you had a tiny shred of decency, you'd retract that ridiculous claim. Has for your implied claim that everything was hunky dory for the average Brazilian (except for the ones getting tortured and/or killed) under the military dictatorship, such an assertion deserves only contempt.
Originally posted by FMFI don't know what you're talking about, I was only putting things into context, I wasn't saying I approve of those murders or that they were justified.
You bear responsibility for your inarticulate smokescreens and instinctive apologism when it comes to the murder of innocent people in Brazil, as is made apparent by things you have said on this thread.
None of my statements have been incorrect, Brazil was not chile, we didn't have a Pinochet or a Videla.