@spruce112358 saidLife in the state of nature is "poor, nasty, brutish, and short," said Thomas Hobbs. We see in Haiti a real-life case of what happens when a state is first corrupted by dictators and then fails altogether. So sad.
Libertarians are dancing in the streets. FINALLY, a place they can go with NO government!
“A portrait of Haitians trying to survive without a government”
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/18/1245048299/haiti-haitians-cap-haitien
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@wildgrass saidAlso no public services or safety. I know, I've been there. The infrastructure is worse than in Europe during the black death -- no sanitation, the water that comes out of the taps is poisonous, garbage litters the streets, cadavers are left to rot by the roadside ...
No taxes though.
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@spruce112358 saidPolice , justice, defense.
Libertarians are dancing in the streets. FINALLY, a place they can go with NO government!
“A portrait of Haitians trying to survive without a government”
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/18/1245048299/haiti-haitians-cap-haitien
The same mistake you've made in a matter of days. Ignorant of your chosen subject or baiting for attention.
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@wajoma saidNot baiting. I AGREE on police, justice, defense, and a few other things like public spaces and last-resort charity.
Police , justice, defense.
The same mistake you've made in a matter of days. Ignorant of your chosen subject or baiting for attention.
But there are a large group of semi-libertarians like Sen. 'Ayn' Rand Paul who love to quote Reagan, "Government is the problem" and vaguely have things both ways: "Government is BAD! Full of BAAAAAD people! We have to STARVE the government! (Oh and Taxation is Theft! Ooops!)"
"But Haiti? Oh no, I don't mean like that..."
They are manipulators and I don't like them.
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@moonbus saidCould be construed as a racist remark, Haiti being the first country to gain independence from the colonisers. SA is heading the same way.
Life in the state of nature is "poor, nasty, brutish, and short," said Thomas Hobbs. We see in Haiti a real-life case of what happens when a state is first corrupted by dictators and then fails altogether. So sad.
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@spruce112358 saidWhen you quote Rand Paul saying 'defund the police' you may have a point, I'd be interested in seeing that. But equating "The goobermint is the problem" with a simplistic puerile 'no goobermint', I say again, ignorance or bait.
Not baiting. I AGREE on police, justice, defense, and a few other things like public spaces and last-resort charity.
But there are a large group of semi-libertarians like Sen. 'Ayn' Rand Paul who love to quote Reagan, "Government is the problem" and vaguely have things both ways: "Government is BAD! Full of BAAAAAD people! We have to STARVE the government! (Oh and Tax ...[text shortened]... !)"
"But Haiti? Oh no, I don't mean like that..."
They are manipulators and I don't like them.
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@wajoma saidI don't follow RP around, but I wonder how many times has Paul has praised the government in a public statement for something other than a cutback? For doing something useful...?
When you quote Rand Paul saying 'defund the police' you may have a point, I'd be interested in seeing that. But equating "The goobermint is the problem" with a simplistic puerile 'no goobermint', I say again, ignorance or bait.
A quick look at his page suggests that the only place we need government to do something is in support of Our Heroes: "With the end of the war in Iraq and the continued withdrawal from Afghanistan, many veterans have returned home in need of assistance. We owe it to the men and women who have served in combat to provide them with quality care for injuries sustained in defense of this nation and provide the necessary support tools as they adjust back to civilian life."
@sonhouse, Sen Paul wants to give you money. Everybody else, he wants to CUT, BABY!
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@spruce112358 saidWithout getting into the why's and where-for's of Afghanistan that would fit with:
I don't follow RP around, but I wonder how many times has Paul has praised the government in a public statement for something other than a cutback? For doing something useful...?
A quick look at his page suggests that the only place we need government to do something is in support of Our Heroes: "With the end of the war in Iraq and the continued withdrawal from Afghan ...[text shortened]... vilian life."
@sonhouse, Sen Paul wants to give you money. Everybody else, he wants to CUT, BABY!
There is a roll for the state i.e. Police, Justice, Defense.
And not the infantile accusation that Rand Paul wants to ban goobermint.
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@wajoma saidJustice. There's a loaded word that shouldn't fit into a libertarians vocabulary.
Without getting into the why's and where-for's of Afghanistan that would fit with:
There is a roll for the state i.e. Police, Justice, Defense.
And not the infantile accusation that Rand Paul wants to ban goobermint.
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@wildgrass saidYes we know your idea of justice is getting goobermint thugs to force your dream feelings on your fellow man. Now that is 'loaded'.
Justice. There's a loaded word that shouldn't fit into a libertarians vocabulary.
@wajoma saidJustice is an ethical term. Not my idea.
Yes we know your idea of justice is getting goobermint thugs to force your dream feelings on your fellow man. Now that is 'loaded'.
I know some libertarians. Most reject the idea that a libertarian government can deliver justice equally without impinging other's rights.
E.g. Anarchists and libertarians both support roads. If a libertarian is distinguished from an anarchist because the libertarian supports justice, then we need traffic laws. Stop signs, speed limits, insurance etc.
The government thugs need to enforce these laws.