16 Jul 11
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Originally posted by EladarI'm hardly a "Marxist". In fact, I'm rather indifferent to what economic system a society puts in place so long as it is democratically selected and doesn't violate Natural Rights (I admit I do prefer one which doesn't lead to mass deprivation and suffering like laissez faire historically did, however).
No, I said you are a Marxist and that you can't see this as evil because of your Marxist beliefs.
Your threshold of "evil" is appallingly low if you find minor subsidies to low income people "evil". Do you also find Food Stamps and unemployment insurance to be "evil"? How about Senior Citizen discounts? Lower prices for children at movies?
That's a lot of "evil"!
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by no1marauderOK, I call is Marxism, you call it Natural Rights, so be it.
I'm hardly a "Marxist". In fact, I'm rather indifferent to what economic system a society puts in place so long as it is democratically selected and doesn't violate Natural Rights (I admit I do prefer one which doesn't lead to mass deprivation and suffering like laissez faire historically did, however).
Your threshold of "evil" is appalling ...[text shortened]... counts? Lower prices for children at movies?
That's a lot of "evil"!
Taking money away from certain people who can afford cell phones so that others can afford cell phones is a very narrow re-distribution of wealth which fattens the pockets of cell pone companies.
You are blinded by your belief in what youcall 'Natural Rights' and can't see the evil of this kind of practice.
I'll let you have the last words with your next post. I tire of your games.
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by EladarRedistribution of money is not the same as redistribution of wealth. Also, nobody owes the rich tax free cell phones.
OK, I call is Marxism, you call it Natural Rights, so be it.
Taking money away from certain people who can afford cell phones so that others can afford cell phones is a very narrow re-distribution of wealth which fattens the pockets of cell pone companies.
You are blinded by your belief in what youcall 'Natural Rights' and can't see the evil of this k ...[text shortened]... practice.
I'll let you have the last words with your next post. I tire of your games.
16 Jul 11
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungEveryone who has a cell phone and pays for it without government assistance is rich?
Redistribution of money is not the same as redistribution of wealth. Also, nobody owes the rich tax free cell phones.
I really don't think you see the flip side on this thing. Who do you think is profiting from this program? True, it does make the government bigger and that is attractive to people like you, but it is a program designed to make the rich richer.
The middle class is being milked so that the poor can have cell phones and the rich cell phone company owners richer by having more customers.
16 Jul 11
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Originally posted by EladarThe amounts are tiny. Stop crying; I don't mind paying a few extra pennies a month so that more people can afford a cell phone.
Everyone who has a cell phone and pays for it without government assistance is rich?
I really don't think you see the flip side on this thing. Who do you think is profiting from this program? True, it does make the government bigger and that is attractive to people like you, but it is a program designed to make the rich richer.
The middle class is bei ...[text shortened]... or can have cell phones and the rich cell phone company owners richer by having more customers.
Do you also get furious if a movie theater lets kids and Seniors in at a reduced price?
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by EladarI'm not particularly in favor of this cell phone thing. I just like provoking people who spew popular memes instead of thinking for themselves.
Everyone who has a cell phone and pays for it without government assistance is rich?
I really don't think you see the flip side on this thing. Who do you think is profiting from this program? True, it does make the government bigger and that is attractive to people like you, but it is a program designed to make the rich richer.
The middle class is bei ...[text shortened]... or can have cell phones and the rich cell phone company owners richer by having more customers.
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThinking for themselves? Who else is saying what I'm saying? Perhaps I missed that story or thread.
I'm not particularly in favor of this cell phone thing. I just like provoking people who spew popular memes instead of thinking for themselves.
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by EladarI really don't care what you do though it would be nice since you are venting so much outrage over the cell phone thing to get a response regarding Senior discounts and cheaper ticket prices for children. Surely there's very little difference between those things and the Lifeline cell phone program - other users are subsidizing lower prices for certain groups in all cases.
OK, I'll go back and take it out of quotes and simply reword for the proper flip side of your statement.
Personally I think it's a good program with possible externalities:
Cell phones can clearly give a leg up to those who have fallen on hard times; unlike a landline phone, a cell phone can be used in an emergency outside the home, and can make the unemployed much more accessible to a potential employer. With 90-percent of the population having at least one cell phone, subsidizing the cost of the needy's service isn't even about leveling the playing field; it's just about getting those folks on the field to begin with.
http://www.switched.com/2009/06/20/lifeline-program-providing-subsidized-cell-phones-for-the-poor/
16 Jul 11
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI take it that if you've got your panties in a wad because I used the term Marxist you really don't have much to say on the subject.
You know you're not the only one to accuse people of being Marxists right?
Nice to know that this is what was concerning you.
