Originally posted by FMF
So staunch opponents of abortion rights claim.

And any rational minded person.

Originally posted by joe beyser
And any rational minded person.

I'm sure your opinions on abortion are sincerely felt.

Originally posted by FMF
I'm sure your opinions on abortion are sincerely felt.

I don't like it but other opinions on the matter do not indicate irrationality.Staunch opponents are merely a subset of rational minded people. I put the link up because there is more going on than just advocating abortion rights. This article is old but gives a little insight to policy of this administration.

Originally posted by joe beyser
I put the link up because there is more going on than just advocating abortion rights.

Steve Six is an advocate of abortion rights. As you say, you think there is more going on than just advocating abortion rights.

Originally posted by FMF
Steve Six is an advocate of abortion rights. As you say, you think there is more going on than just advocating abortion rights.

His actions would indicate so. Yes

Originally posted by joe beyser
His actions would indicate so. Yes

I have accepted that this is what you believe which makes you repeating yourself to me rather unnecessary.

Originally posted by FMF
I have accepted that this is what you believe which makes you repeating yourself to me rather unnecessary.

I just wanted to add the little bit about actions, and why i thought so. I don't think there is any harm done there. There is a difference between being an advocate for rights and an advocate for planned parenthood. That would be better suited for another thread sometime.

Originally posted by joe beyser
I just wanted to add the little bit about actions, and why i thought so. I don't think there is any harm done there. There is a difference between being an advocate for rights and an advocate for planned parenthood. That would be better suited for another thread sometime.

Well I read the article at the link you gave. I'm not sure what more you want me to do.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I read the article at the link you gave. I'm not sure what more you want me to do.

Drop down and give me 50 pushups I guess 🙂

Originally posted by sh76
A personhood amendment does not necessarily mean that birth control or IVF will be outlawed.

I'll make you a deal: You show me that Romney actively supports the banning of IVF and birth control, and I won't vote for him.

I think you would agree that at least the morning-after pill would be a homicide under the personhood amendment. And that Romney has never stated an exception for the morning-after pill in his support of his personhood amendment.

Also, the personhood amendment which Romney signed off on has no exceptions for rape or incest. Thus, whatever Romney might say now due to politics, you never know what his stance will be with regard to exceptions for rape or incest. He has clearly shown where politically expedient to appease the far-right.

Originally posted by sh76
While I do think that "war on children" is a bit hysterical, it is probably less hysterical than those claiming the GOP is waging a "war on women."

It is interesting how Republicans do not acknowledge or accept responsibility for the actions of the far-right including the religious fundamentalists who now control their party.

The GOP war on women is clear, and it is not just an anti-abortion issue. For example, they have fought against equal pay legislation every step of the way. Another non-abortion issue is imposing their religion on birth control. We are not a theocracy.

As for the abortion issue, it is legal at least in the first trimester, and the Republicans have pushed forced sonogram laws (e.g., enacted here in Texas where I live) that mandate a woman must receive a sonogram even if her doctor says it is unnecessary. Talk about big government becoming involved between patient and doctor.

Lastly, the Republican attacks and defunding of Planned Parenthood is an assault on women across the country who use PP for well-women exams and affordable reliable birth control. I do not what my wife would have done without PP when we were married and dirt poor in college. It wasn't free but was affordable for her well-woman exams and birth control. PP was a godsend. And since that use of PP and since graduating from college, we have paid massive $ in taxes in our professional jobs for 25 years.