16 Sep 09
Originally posted by FabianFnas"Some says that a death sentence is humane"
Some says that a death sentence is humane. This link shows that it is not.
Do *you* think that death sentences in general are humane?
Do *you* think that this death sentences in particular was humane?
This was as barbaric as any sharia stoning sentence.
i am curious who can claim this with a straight face. it is a member of the human race being murdered, reason not important. if we are not being cynical about our nature, murder goes against it. no normal human will murder another human without a strong incentive. we execute people because we simply give up on them, we want to remove them from society and forget they ever existed, even if it meanst we are killing an innocent person.
This was as barbaric as any sharia stoning sentence.
well i find that rape and murder are a little different than adultery. moreover, the sharia stoning victim gets his head bludgeoned by big fukin rocks, this guy just had to sit in his chair, maybe had his arm punctured a few times.
my position on the death penalty isn't that important in this case, i was simply trying to suggest that your choice of "argument" is unfortunate.
but since you ask, i am against death penalty. not because it is barbaric but because it is useless. no deterrent value and irreversible.
it is much more merciful to kill someone in a quick and (mostly) painless way than to confine them for the rest of their miserable life in a 2 by 2 cell. no parole, no release, no exercise. no window. also an innocent person would have a lifetime of trying to gather evidence regarding his innocence.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamNo. Granted. But one can strive to get it discontinued, like they've done in Europe and, indeed, across most of the countries of the world.
This will just be another circular argument that solves nothing. People either believe in executing criminals or don't. No one will change anyone's mind.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by ZahlanziI think you and I are more agree then I first thought.
[b]"Some says that a death sentence is humane"
i am curious who can claim this with a straight face. it is a member of the human race being murdered, reason not important. if we are not being cynical about our nature, murder goes against it. no normal human will murder another human without a strong incentive. we execute people because we simply give u ...[text shortened]... innocent person would have a lifetime of trying to gather evidence regarding his innocence.[/b]
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamI don't know about that. People's minds do sometimes change on these issues.
This will just be another circular argument that solves nothing. People either believe in executing criminals or don't. No one will change anyone's mind.
I used to be in favor of the death penalty on the grounds that I believed it to be a deterrent, that particularly brutal murderers deserved to die and because I believed it exceedingly unlikely for an innocent person to be executed.
I have since changed my mind. I am no longer confident at all in its deterrent value and I now believe it likely that innocent people are executed on occasion. I still believe that brutal murderers deserve to die, but life imprisonment is also adequate punishment.
I'm not going to make a big deal about advocating one way or the other, but I'm now fine with abolishing the death penalty. I don't think it will hurt our society in any meaningful manner.
I'm not saying I changed my mind based in RHP message board discussion (I didn't), but people's opinions do change on occasion.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by Sam The Shamlike any debate on rhp and most debates in general. you don't debate to change someones mind, not on rhp anyway. you debate for fun.
This will just be another circular argument that solves nothing. People either believe in executing criminals or don't. No one will change anyone's mind.
16 Sep 09
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Originally posted by sh76There are inherent problems with the current state of our prisons. They are over crowded and VERY costly. In a way, it in some ways masks yet another entitlement program in that respect. They demand food and shelter and medical care no matter the horrendous crimes they may have committed. As a result, I am in favor of policies that gravitate away from simply warehousing these criminals. Instead, why not make them pay up front and send them on their way? If nothing else, put them to work!! For example, what about the story of the kid in Asia who was caught writing grafetti and was lashed for it? In the states, he may have faced jail time as where over there they lashed him and sent him on his way. Some would call this barbaric, but you know what? The boy is doing just fine today, thank you very much, and I dare say NEVER did the same thing again. Also of note is their much lower crime rates. Of course, to take someones life is somewhat a different matter. In addition, not all cases are the same. Having said that, some I think DO deserve death as where others do not so to blindly say you are in favor or not in favor of the death penalty in general I think is negecting to assess the situation. For example, the Nazis at the Nurenburg trials that were hung. They had it com'in!! ðŸ˜
I don't know about that. People's minds do sometimes change on these issues.
I used to be in favor of the death penalty on the grounds that I believed it to be a deterrent, that particularly brutal murderers deserved to die and because I believed it exceedingly unlikely for an innocent person to be executed.
I have since changed my mind. I am no longer co in RHP message board discussion (I didn't), but people's opinions do change on occasion.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by NimzovichLarsenWhat's wrong with firing squad?
wouldn't have this problem if we still used the electric chair....
That seems to be the most humane way of doing it.
Then again, I thought that they should have executed OJ at halftime of the Super Bowl by drowning him in a vat of Budweiser. Can you imagine what the ratings would have been like for that?
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by whodeyThat's all fine and good; but executions don't solve prison overcrowding; they exacerbate it. Large prison areas have to be set aside for death row inmates, who are housed in solitary instead of 2-4 to a cell. With 50 executions a year and a prison population in the millions, executions do not relieve overcrowding.
There are inherent problems with the current state of our prisons. They are over crowded and VERY costly. In a way, it in some ways masks yet another entitlement program in that respect. They demand food and shelter and medical care no matter the horrendous crimes they may have committed. As a result, I am in favor of policies that gravitate away from sim ...[text shortened]... tion. For example, the Nazis at the Nurenburg trials that were hung. They had it com'in!! ðŸ˜
You want to give convicts the choice of taking a shorter sentence at hard labor instead of a longer sentence or something to that effect? I have no problem with it.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by sh76No they don't. Just put 2-4 of the death row inmates together.
[b]That's all fine and good; but executions don't solve prison overcrowding; they exacerbate it. Large prison areas have to be set aside for death row inmates, who are housed in solitary instead of 2-4 to a cell. With 50 executions a year and a prison population in the millions, executions do not relieve overcrowding.
16 Sep 09
Originally posted by sh76Anything that doesn't cause immediate death is barbaric and cruel.
What's wrong with firing squad?
That seems to be the most humane way of doing it.
Then again, I thought that they should have executed OJ at halftime of the Super Bowl by drowning him in a vat of Budweiser. Can you imagine what the ratings would have been like for that?