Chess, Sweden, and Diversity

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That’s why you shouldn’t listen to GM’s.

Listen to ABBA instead!

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Whinge and complain all about white racism, but what is it about that Asian component of Classical music, that helps keep that art form alive all about anyway?

Its about one upmanship. Its about bragging rights. Why is the piano and the violin favoured? Well the article you quoted at length says that its all about the symbols of class mobility. Look at me...Look at me...Learn your part perfectly or I'll burn your stuffed toys...

And this is the best way to bring glory to the work of masters? This is the best way to keep the spirit of inspired music alive? A production line fuelled by grasping ambition and sticking it to the neighbours, while talent and love for the art form is counterfeited with herculean hard work driven by a tiger moms who are only marginally pleased with an acceptance to Juilliard or a first violin appointment with the Met.

I'm with Shav on this one. Roll on Dancing Queen.

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Finally, evidence of some class.

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And so you should!
And you should have Sgt. Peppers, Born to Run and The Unforgettable Fire too.

Well, and obviously Rain Dogs, Sheik yer Bouti Tango, Bone Machine and The White Album too…

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I am sure that many Westerners of a certain age are only too glad that Asians are filling up orchestra places and filling up seats to keep the great halls open and to keep an artform that would otherwise be on life support, vibrantly alive.

Different strokes, I guess, but if Asians see a niche market in keeping the elites of this world happy and entertained who is anyone to quibble? Its funny how patronage no matter in which century, with classical music still looks remarkably the same.

@shavixmir said
No they’re not.
ABBA, the Beatles and Jan Vermeer are Europe’s best artists.
Followed by Springsteen (honory European artists), Carravaggio, Rembrandt, Pink Floyd, Samual L. jackson (who doesn’t know he’s a white European), Picasso and Leonardo Davinci.

It’s really quite a white European list.

The point is, honey, that K-pop sucks the peanuts out of 💩 through a stra ...[text shortened]... t:
Western classical music… oh… well, yeah… I dunno. If it ain’t ABBA, it ain’t worth listening to.

OMG do you even KNOW what classical music is?
Pop tunes are not classical music.
I had no idea Picasso and DaVinci were classical musicians.

@dood111 said
OMG do you even KNOW what classical music is?
Pop tunes are not classical music.
I had no idea Picasso and DaVinci were classical musicians.

Moron.

[sigh]

Yet another in a series of bigoted screeds by the Great Oppressor OP. 😴 😴 😴

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Oh, I love classical Western songs.
Like: “don’t fence me in” and “Folsom Prison Blues”.

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Jesus Duchess.....a man from Mars would regard you as the most racist-conscious in the forum

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Oh, all right, I have been trying to stay off these forums, but since I’ve been name-checked in this thread, I will make a special guest reappearance. I would say that any cultural gap between Europe and East Asia is dwarfed by the gap between the age of Mozart and the present day. If people can still understand, admire and appreciate The Marriage of Figaro over a gulf of nearly two and a half centuries, then there’s absolutely no reason to suppose that they shouldn't be able to do so over the distance between Vienna and Beijing.

The notion, apparently advanced by kmax87, that classical music is entertainment for a wealthy elite is, however, a distinctly Anglo-American prejudice. In Germany you can go to the opera or the concert hall for little more than the price of cinema ticket, and many people from far from privileged backgrounds (including many young people) do so regularly.