Originally posted by @lemondrop
padger
the dumb and dumber twins are not worth giving them a platform
you have stated your case
nothing will change
time to put this thread to rest
unless you are getting some enjoyment out of it
if so then carry on

Well to be honest I think they are too stupid to realise I am just winding them up
So I will keep on for a bit longer

Originally posted by @padger
Well to be honest I think they are too stupid to realise I am just winding them up
So I will keep on for a bit longer

I have to agree with you on that
have fun

Originally posted by @padger
Well to be honest I think they are too stupid to realise I am just winding them up
So I will keep on for a bit longer

Back tracking coward i am still waiting for your lawyer cry baby.

Originally posted by @lemondrop
I am a proponent of simply using gross points as the determining factor
padger's proposal differs as does yours
I don't agree with anyone who does not agree with me

I dont have a proposal.i play by the rules the site puts down. If i did not like them i would leave.
I want your opinion of tadgers idea. The dumbass was idiotic enough to put it on site ideas.....epic fail.

I do agree with what you said on another thread i have been saying it for years only ONE CLAN PER PLAYER.

Plus it should not be allowed for a clan to change its name unless there is a new leader

Originally posted by @roma45
I dont have a proposal.i play by the rules the site puts down. If i did not like them i would leave.
I want your opinion of tadgers idea. The dumbass was idiotic enough to put it on site ideas.....epic fail.

I do agree with what you said on another thread i have been saying it for years only ONE CLAN PER PLAYER.

Plus it should not be allowed for a clan to change its name unless there is a new leader

take it to the complaint department spanky

Originally posted by @lemondrop
take it to the complaint department spanky

Again you never answer a question .
I am happy with the current system
You want change so the ball is in your court.
Why is gross points better.
Remember it was your hero robbie that campaigned to get it changed to net points.
I actually agree with you on something but get a childish reply.
And you wonder why no one supports you.

Originally posted by @roma45
Again you never answer a question .
I am happy with the current system
You want change so the ball is in your court.
Why is gross points better.
Remember it was your hero robbie that campaigned to get it changed to net points.
I actually agree with you on something but get a childish reply.
And you wonder why no one supports you.

gross points
makes every game count
eliminates dumping
no negative points are given

I accept the current system
everybody plays by the same rules
I think it can be improved

Originally posted by @lemondrop
gross points
makes every game count
eliminates dumping
no negative points are given

I accept the current system
everybody plays by the same rules
I think it can be improved

Gross points don't make every game count.
A 10 v 10 in gross points is still 20 points to the winner no matter if its 20-0 or 11-9. Just no points taken off the losers
The system was changed to net it was meant to reward better quality chess not just a clan who could in theory lose more challenges than they win and be top.
The game dumping you are against really does not happen much due to smaller challenges after the 200 rating buffer.
The three match barrier has also cut down the amount of challenges a clan can do.
Changing back to gross points will not change that.

Originally posted by @roma45
Gross points don't make every game count.
A 10 v 10 in gross points is still 20 points to the winner no matter if its 20-0 or 11-9. Just no points taken off the losers
The system was changed to net it was meant to reward better quality chess not just a clan who could in theory lose more challenges than they win and be top.
The game dumping you are against ...[text shortened]... own the amount of challenges a clan can do.
Changing back to gross points will not change that.

gross points does make every game count because it is not based on winning the challenge but rather winning the most games, hence every game counts

Originally posted by @lemondrop
gross points does make every game count because it is not based on winning the challenge but rather winning the most games, hence every game counts

Its not. Look back years ago at results.
It has always been challenge v challenge when ever any side won over 50% of the games it was over.
Numerous ideas were put forward including bonus points per each game won on top of who won the challenge.
Again this was not supported as it would just help the clans playing the most games.
Might not sound fair but its the best and got the most votes.

Not many games any where gives out points for losing.
Look at past votes to see choices and how many voted. Happened before you joined.
Russ also put in the default setting as net but added other options for those not happy with the vote.
I really cant see him changing anything.
Unless someone comes up with a great idea and has lots of support to get change.
Do you think that could ever happen?
Players lije padger are only making things worse that insane idea was well insane. I know deep down you agree but deny it as usual.
Thats enough for me on the subject.
I will no doubt be back after tadger pathetically baits me again.

Originally posted by @roma45
Its not. Look back years ago at results.
It has always been challenge v challenge when ever any side won over 50% of the games it was over.
Numerous ideas were put forward including bonus points per each game won on top of who won the challenge.
Again this was not supported as it would just help the clans playing the most games.
Might not sound fair but ...[text shortened]... enough for me on the subject.
I will no doubt be back after tadger pathetically baits me again.

what's wrong with the clan that plays the most games being crowned champion?
providing that they also win the most games
it would be possible for a clan to lose every challenge and still earn top spot on the ladder
some might say this is wrong but I like it
it's games, not challenge wins, that count and that's the way it should be
my opinion for what it's worth

Originally posted by @lemondrop
gross points does make every game count because it is not based on winning the challenge but rather winning the most games, hence every game counts

I'll try to explain this to you in simple English.

2 clans agree to a 10 player challenge, i.e. 20 games.

One clan wins 11 games, the other wins 4.
5 games are still in progress.
The challenge points are only awarded once every game in the challenge is completed.
But the challenge has already been decided in favor of the clan with 11 wins.
Irregardless of the outcome of the remaining 5 games.

The difference between net and gross is simple.
The losing clan is awarded:
0 points in gross point scoring system.
-20 points in net points scoring system.

For both net and gross points, the winning clan is awarded 20 points for the win !!

In the example I provided, the 5 games still in progress will NOT affect how the points are awarded.
Period !!!

So a clan can dump those 5 games in either scoring system, net or gross, if they want the collect the points right away.

Originally posted by @mghrn55
I'll try to explain this to you in simple English.

2 clans agree to a 10 player challenge, i.e. 20 games.

One clan wins 11 games, the other wins 4.
5 games are still in progress.
The challenge points are only awarded once every game in the challenge is completed.
But the challenge has already been decided in favor of the clan with 11 wins.
Irregar ...[text shortened]... 5 games in either scoring system, net or gross, if they want the collect the points right away.

I don't think the losing clan in a gross points system should get zero point
if they win 1,2,3 and so on they should get that number of points
at the end of the year the clan that wins the most games sits on top of the ladder
winning or losing a challenge would not matter
a clan that wins a hundred games in the year would get 100 points no matter how many games they lost
it's all about winning games not challenges
every game is equal and every game matters
no dumping
joy for everyone

Originally posted by @lemondrop
what's wrong with the clan that plays the most games being crowned champion?
providing that they also win the most games
it would be possible for a clan to lose every challenge and still earn top spot on the ladder
some might say this is wrong but I like it
it's games, not challenge wins, that count and that's the way it should be
my opinion for what it's worth

sorting by gross points is already there
just make it the final word
it's so simple and so fair

Originally posted by @lemondrop
sorting by gross points is already there
just make it the final word
it's so simple and so fair

Lets discuss the price of tea in China...this idea with the points has wore it self out years ago.

-VR