@kellyjay said
I don't think it is incredible at all, it is corruption, greed, and lust for power on full display. One of the biggest pushes in government NOT just left or right politicians is to spend money on both homeless and illegal aliens (H&I) right now. If you wanted to skim money off the top these would be where it is most easily done, paper trails for both the (H&I) could easily ...[text shortened]... ey will be employed.

Is it any wonder why audits now show billions unaccounted for in California?

Greed is a big issue, I agree. I would be in favour of mandatory transparence for politicians at the federal level, and even that their private assets be placed into a blind trust and professionally managed until such time as they leave office. This would prevent such shenanigans as Jared Kushner receiving billions from the Saudis for unknown 'services rendered'.

It’s incredible that the most powerful nation on Earth has had 7 years, since the day Trump got into office by an electoral college fluke, to start grooming a credible candidate, and has so far come up with …. what ? A doddering fool, a convicted fraudster tax cheater and sex offender, and a vaccine-conspiracy theorist ‘Kennedy’ disowned by his own. Pathetic. Just pathetic. Bernie Sanders actually looks sane by comparison now; who’d a thunk it.

@averagejoe1 said
Here again I post a simple question. Not ONE of your posts answer the question. Not One. MBus wrote about my reading some article, and capped it with some story about 100 citizens. None of that relevant.
So, I post here a basic societal question, should non-citizens of a municipality or a country, or anything in between, vote in such a venue? Please don't ask someone to read an article, or to read silly posts. Rather, a thoughtful comment?

Depends on the municipality. Some counties and some states allow legal residents, including resident registered aliens, to vote on local issues. And rightly so. They pay taxes, so they should have at least some say how local taxes are spent, for example, for public services, such as libraries and schools.

Non-citizens are already forbidden by law to vote in federal elections. That’s why there is no need for any further legislation to regulate this.

@Fartacus

You're talking to yourself, and you're not saying anything.

@suzianne said
Yeah, see the trailer trash types here don't have passports.

They do have photo ID driver licenses, though.

Why would Americans need passports when so many of them can’t even point to the United States on a map of the world?


EDIT: trailer trash have legitimate interests which deserve to be represented in govt. Thing is, they should not be represented by a billionaire con man, and they are not in fact so represented. And that is the big con going on right now: a non-elected con man is calling the shots from the sidelines, telling Johnson which legislation to "kill." People, wake up, that is not how representative govt is supposed to work, not for trailer trash or for anyone else either.

@averagejoe1 said
The only reason is that only citizens of a municipality or a state or a country should vote. Try this, little feller. If all of the citizens of Yazoo MS are voting on how to spend a surplus in the city budget next Tuesday, do you think that ANY PERSON FROM ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY, OR FROM ANY OTHER COUNTRY, should be allowed, or would be qualified, to vote on this matter?
Libs don't answer simple questions, but please answer this one?

Did you read the article, Joe? Less than 100 cases of non-citizens who attempted to vote, compared to thousands of legitimate voters who would have been struck off the rolls by the proposed legislation which was supposed to correct the non-problem. The cure is worse than the disease.

Of course, non-citizens should not vote. Question answered.

The fact of the matter is, they don't. It's a non-issue the Republican'ts have invented because their voter base is shrinking.

@shavixmir said
They check your passport.

Oh. Wait. That’s Europe.

Yeah. We’re years ahead of you trailer trash types.

Why non-citizen voting should be a non-issue in America:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-immigrant-voting-noncitizens-elections-explained-cf4c73b336147b5f5d9c2a22b2564994

The only reason Republican’ts are pushing this non/issue is that demographics are against them: their traditional voter base is shrinking, as a proportion of the total population.

@pettytalk said
20 years in CPU R&D. At Intel?.

That explains why he projects syntax, information processing, error checking, etc. into biology. That’s the pattern he’s familiar with, and he simply projects those metaphors onto everything in nature.

If he'd been a botanist or a zoologist, he'd have projected those metaphors onto computers: he'd be claiming that computers 'evolve' and 'germinate'.

😆

@divegeester said
Actually, a quite insightful analogy of how KellyJay thinks.

You can’t rewrite the boot sector on a running system !


😆

@kellyjay said
Doesn’t take much to realize a language with syntax and symbolic meaning where information is being read and interpreted for processing. The language can be biological but information processing either in digital form, smoke signals, morse code, hand written, typed out has features that will be used across the board.

Unintentional gibberish doesn’t have the same feature ...[text shortened]... there is mathematical features in language with a mind behind it that is not in a mindless process.

There are regularities in nature. For example, the diurnal cycle. However, humans tend to project patterns onto nature which aren’t really there. For example, when you look in the sky, you will think that the sun rises and sets, that the sun goes around the earth. This is an illusion. The diurnal cycle is really caused by the rotation of the planet on its axis, although we do not actually perceive this rotation ourselves. When you say that there is syntax, information processing, error checking, and so on, going on inside of cells, you are projecting a human pattern into nature which is not really there, Like the illusion of the sun going around the Earth. It looks that way to you because you are employing a metaphor and projecting the metaphor into a reality where it doesn’t really exist.

Science is concerned with regularities in nature, and there is no evidence of any transcendental mind which is directing these regularities. The claim of a transcendental causality at work in cell division is not a testable hypothesis, and therefore irrelevant to science.

Moreover, there are irregularities in nature, random events with no discernible causes. For example, electrons jumping orbits and mutations in DNA. Such random events do not speak in favor of a transcendental mind which is directing everything that happens. If one wants to claim that God is directing cell mutations, then one has to wonder why God would want some children to be born with Down Syndrome, heart defects, sickle cell anemia, half a brain (Zika disease), or why God would want some pregnancies to spontaneously miscarry. In other words, the irregularities are even harder to explain on a god-based thesis than the regularities, because one would have to suppose that a cruel and capricious God is at work.

@pettytalk said
Kelly has only one thing in mind, the Bible's take on good and evil.

Even without any highly sentient beings, those lesser sentient animals such as ourselves, can note that the Sun is both good and evil for us. Too close, and we are evilly toasted, but at the proper distance, and with a few atmospheric conditions in place, it's good for life. Whether the distance is mere ...[text shortened]... ed out of a garden of Eden, where we had it made for good. For good, also to imply forever and ever.

There is nothing either good or evil about the distance from the Earth to the sun. That the weather or ambient temperature is “good for” something, such as growing plants or animals , including ourselves, has no moral quality.

@kellyjay said
If they are not objective facts exactly how do you justify they are not whatever anyone thinks or wants, what else is there?

What else is there ? What sentient brings say there is, only it is not dependent one person’s whim. It takes two to tango, and a village to raise a child. Good and evil are defined by societies and cultures over long periods of time. And while they often agree on a few broad points, such prohibitions against homicide and theft, there are some notable exceptions (such as honor killing in some Middle Eastern societies).

@kellyjay said
Good and Evil, are they a real part of the universe or something made up that are both very malleable to suit the one using those terms?

If there were no sentient beings in the universe, there would be no value judgements, neither good nor evil. In this sense, they are not objective facts about the universe, like the existence of matter and energy. However, this does not mean that good and evil are whatever one individual thinks they are.

@earl-of-trumps said
Of thee Higgs particle, I am sure. I think he's Scottish

Yup, he's the one.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2013/higgs/facts/

@sonhouse said
@spruce112358
Historians are ALREADY putting Trump at the bottom of the list and there have been some dozies already, Harding comes to mind but at least he didn't try to overthrow the idea of peaceful transfer of power, among the rest of Trumps so called 'accomplishments'

He'll be remembered all right .... future historians will refer to him as "America's Caligula."