@suzianne said
Seems obvious, yeah?

This is the 'FMF and divegeester' method of forum douchebaggery. Act like you have NO freaking idea what is being said. One wonders why he posts if he doesn't get it. The next step is to double-down on asking again and again and again and again and... what is being talked about. This is called 'acting as if the OP has no point.'

Well defined suzianne.

@moonbus said
@mlb62


"Ghost" is an infelicitous choice of words, because it suggests to most people the immaterial remnant of a once-embodied personality (something like 'Nearly Headless Nick' in Harry Potter). "Holy spirit" is a slightly better formulation insofar as one takes the word "spirit" as in "the spirit, rather than the letter, of the law." In Christian theology (don't ask m ...[text shortened]... no Christian theology. Think of a wholly de-personalized power indwelling in a person who has faith.

"Without Greek philosophy, there would be no Christian theology."

God, as defined in the scriptures, is responsible for the existence of everything.

After creation a will arose against the will of God. Since then everybody seems to think they know how everything works better than God, to the extent that they think they can define God himself.

To do so they must eradicate from their thinking any possibility that God superintended the transmission of his will in written form.

I'd hate to be the one bucking against God's will just because I think I'm smarter than him, and can't rationalize beyond the interests of my own will.

@divegeester said
The Jesus I believe in is the one described in the Bible.

That's what I've been saying, except you don't appear to know who that is, especially since, after cherry picking through the Bible to find what supports your preconceptions, you've discarded rest of what doesn't agree with you.

You're reduced to having only opinions, and nobody wants to debate over those.

@divegeester said
Why is it odd; you asserted something and I’m asking you specifically about what you said.

You need to think for yourself. My "assertions" are clear. Not my fault you can't understand plain English, much less the scriptures.

@divegeester said
I’m aware that I grind your gears SecondSon.

That's your illusion. I am not phased.

@divegeester said
You are correct; I have no knowledge.

You are a public nuisance geester! 🤣

@divegeester said
So what and whom are your referring to when you say people don’t recognise the real Jesus?

How odd it is that you should ask.
But then again, maybe not.
And then again it depends on how you define "recognize".

When the instead-of-christ waltzes in, will you recognize him for who and what he is, or will you, like so many, believe the lie?

@pettytalk said
But where in Scripture does it suggest that Jesus received a better education? And does Scripture also mention, directly or indirectly, anything related to Jesus' education in linguistics? Keep in mind that we are focusing on Jesus, the man, and must set aside the 'speaking in tongues' for this discussion.

To my knowledge the scriptures don't teach that Jesus "received" a better education than his human contemporaries.

I can assume though that Jesus' intellect was second to none.

And seeing as how the scriptures were his primary focus, and how his understanding of them was without equal, I believe Jesus did not suffer from confusion or lack of wisdom.

Jesus was "full of grace and truth", which trumps knowledge any day.

Luke2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

@pettytalk said
The question of whether Jesus spoke Greek has been debated among scholars.

Are there any scholars here which can shed light on what the debate was all about?

As a primer, the following was gleaned by Wikipedia:

There exists a consensus among scholars that the language of Jesus and his disciples was Aramaic. Aramaic was the common language of Judea in the first cen ...[text shortened]... ve to Judea. It is reasonable to assume that Jesus was well versed in Hebrew for religious purposes.

Without debating the issue, I agree with the scholarly consensus.

On the other hand I might ask what language could Jesus not speak seeing as he was filled with the fullness of the Holy Spirit?

The population of Jerusalem was estimated to be around 500 thousand, but swelled to possibly 3 million during the feasts with Jews and gentile proselytes speaking many different languages from all over the civilized world.

Question is, did Jesus converse directly with others not conversant in Aramaic, or did he use an interpreter?

Beyond all that is just speculation. I'll stick with what I know.

@divegeester said
How does a person recognise the “real Jesus”?

By the scriptures and the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 1:1-3
¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 1:1-5
¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The central figure of scripture is Jesus Christ. By them we understand, know and recognize the "real Jesus."

Do you know of any other way?

@pettytalk said
A real expert on reality made the following affirmation.

"The real world, was created by the real Jesus, who is the real Word of God, who entered into the real world He created, as the real incarnate Word of God made fully human."

The above affirmation begs questioning.

Question: In what world was Jesus/God living before creating the 'real' world into which he cam ...[text shortened]... eality and truth, there are myriad illusions and myriad lies.

Illusions = Lies as Reality = Truth

Will the real Jesus please stand up?

He did, but not many recognized him. They still don't.

@pettytalk said
If I haven't impressed you, then I offer my warmest apology. However, I cannot say the same for you, because you do impress me. Likewise, with all due respect, you impress me as being a logical idiot. You cannot fathom biblical logic because scripture is anything but logical, literally.

"You cannot fathom biblical logic because scripture is anything but logical, literally."

Illogical statement. Remarkably absurd. Patently false.

Lies and irrationality skew perceptions. Truth stands alone. Perceive and believe, or wallow in the dark.

@kellyjay said
A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds, 'What does love mean?' The answers they got were broader, deeper, and more profound than anyone could have ever imagined!
'When my grandmother got arthritis, she couldn't bend over and paint her toenails anymore... So my grandfather does it for her all the time, even when his hands got arthri ...[text shortened]... other asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said, 'Nothing, I just helped him cry.'

Great post kellyjay. Best I've read in a long time. I'm surprised it received so little attention. If it were about hate I think it would have gotten more responses. 😕

@rajk999 said
More personal remarks and insults directed at me even when you are not responding to me. If your doctrine was solid and it was the truth there would be no need to do that.

Then why don't you practice what you preach?

You're a cult all by yourself Rajk. And if that hurts your feelings, then get out of this public forum.

@kingdavid403 said
Most Christian Churches ? ha! I've never met one Christian church or Christian sect that didn't believe this about themselves. Please share one Christian sect or denomination, that does not believe that they are the ones whom truly knows Jesus and what God wants?

So what is wrong with asserting that one knows Jesus?

The Bible tells us who Jesus is. If one agrees with the scriptures, then one knows Jesus.

The cults, sects, denominations, isms or schisms notwithstanding.

One would have to have limited reading and comprehension skills not to be able to identify who the Bible says Jesus is.