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  1. SubscriberVESPIN
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    29 Mar '24 04:49
    @very-rusty said
    I believe VESPIN would not test it out to begin with. Or were you trying to make a joke? 🙂 😛

    -VR
    Your spot on! No way I'm testing anything. lol
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    @suzianne said
    Occaisionally, a player will request his account be removed, or a name change (this is rare), and the old name will get the same "Removed" treatment.

    See Thread 194373
    Thank you Suzianne!! Great example. I don't like it when I play someone several games and then that happens. Thank you for responding.


    Michael
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    29 Mar '24 04:47
    @moonbus said
    I would not advise you to test just exactly how many ToS provisions one would have to breach in order to achieve 'strike-through Removed' status.





    😆
    lol No not me. I do all I can to be perfect with all the rules in the TOS. And The admins and Russ have been nice and all very good to me. I just stay in my lane. 🙂
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    27 Mar '24 23:05
    @very-rusty said
    @moonbus

    Agreed, most likely the reason was an infraction of TOS Guidelines.

    -VR
    Thank you Rusty. It had to be bad. I was at the end of the third game with him next thing I know, his name was gone, and in it's place was the word "Removed" with a line through it. It had to be bad and as you and moonbus said, "against the TOS rules".

    Thank you Rusty. 🙂
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    27 Mar '24 23:03
    @moonbus said
    @VESPIN

    Banned player. The reasons need not concern us, but will generally be due to infractions of ToS.
    Yeah it was weird, it just said "Removed" with a line through it. Thank you. I appreciate the feedback Moonbus. 🙂
  6. SubscriberVESPIN
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    27 Mar '24 18:02
    I had played a player twice I think and was in my third game. I had been waiting on it because I actually had the game won in three moves. The player had a line though where his screen name was. The line goes through the word "Removed". Does anyone know why someone is "Removed". He had no subscription.


    Standard member Removed It's not showing the line through the word Removed. They was around a while. I forget his screen name they took that out to.
  7. SubscriberVESPIN
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    25 Mar '24 16:44
    @lstcyr
    You wanted the stats. I will post them. I told you the rules at which I will count wins and losses. Other than this, I have nothing to say. When this is done, So are we. So no worries.
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    24 Mar '24 21:34
    @lstcyr said
    Finally, we are now at the Donald part where we ignore the original conversation, spout a bunch of inanities and try to completely change the subject. Try minding your own business and none of this would have involved you. Now, when I think of you, I think of the lyrics from “The Last Supper” in Jesus Christ Superstar where Judas calls Jesus “you sad pathetic man”. Go away and ...[text shortened]... mes that you said you’d do a year ago.

    Didn’t think so. Your statements are falsehoods. Prove it.
    I am still counting the games. My God we played a lot. Tell me if you agree with this because I remember everything that happened. Including giving you my club because I know you would expand and do a better job than me at that point.

    This is how I count our games. You have to remember the games I never finished but was clearly winning, as in I had a queen and both rooks and you had one rook. Something to that effect. And it goes the other way as well. Games where I let it go and you were winning and won. That was your win.

    There are games where I did not want to hurt your rating as your friend, and I would offer draws, or just resign even though I had it won.

    There are tons of games where I resigned, timed out, and just simply quit because like said, I did not want to hurt your rating. I never cared about my rating except one time and I reached 1400 and then lost a ton of games due to time outs. Look at my timeouts Larry. I think I have the record for the most.

    So how I am counting the games.

    1. I go into every game and see if I was winning clearly but resigned or quit due to health. I'm talking where I was really up. The system says I lost, I count that as a win as you only had a king and a rook and in some cases just pawns and I had my major pieces. I count that as a win for me.

    2. If I see a game where I resigned or timed out and you were clearly winning that is a win for you. It goes both ways.

    That is how I am counting the wins and losses. If I have a queen and two rooks and you have a rook , sorry but you are not winning that game. And no way I would win against you if it was reversed.

    You are just looking at the systems count.

    I am going into every single game to see who was clearly winning. If I can't decide because it was even, or in some cases I did not move at all, that is not a win for you.

    You are welcome to go into every game like I am to see if i am lying. My final count will reflect the real number. Why would you even want to claim a win where I did not move at all. I would never count that as win.

    A win is who was clearly winning, and it has to be clear, and where you forced me into checkmate. I do one page a day. Half way through.

    I count real wins. If you come out ahead I will post that. I don't want a win I did not earn Larry. But I am counting it the right way. Give me a week and I'll have the total.
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    20 Mar '24 13:13
    @lstcyr said
    Michael. You sad, sad person.

    Slowly, just for you.

    Rusty made the claim first without any proof. I can’t prove him wrong because he has not shown the analysis to back up his claim. All I have been asking him to do is show his work so all of us can see how he came to his conclusion. I suspect he just eyeballed it and is making a guess but without his analysis we can’t t ...[text shortened]... ted or in a relationship) and encourage Rusty to show us the data and analysis supporting his claim.
    Last time. Let me help Larry. The proof is if you are not lazy, is in every leader and the way they set up matches, how many matches, and specifically how many matches with specific clans. Are they using the same clans over and over and giving them 10 to 20 points per match and do the matches finish fast. Look at every player in the clan system and get to know how good they are and this is with each player being 100 to 200 points to high and others to low. You have to know both.

    This is just the start of learning of what is going on. It took me years. I did the work myself. However, I leaned on players on my team, Rusty being the most as I consider him a co captain because he knows more than most and certainly more than me.

    Do your homework and maybe you might get some respect. You have said nothing that helps anyone nor are you correct about anything.

    No leader who leads his or her team into the negative points almost every season has no intelligent thoughts on anything to do with chess or the clan system.

    So was that slow enough for you? Rusty has nothing to prove. He is respected by all that matter. That can not be the same for you.

    You are the worse kind of person for the clan system, an ignorant person who runs his mouth.

    Do the work, learn, and maybe in several years you might have a thought worth listening to. I highly doubt it though.

    Enjoy feeding those points. You are not the answer, you are the problem.
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    20 Mar '24 07:15
    @lstcyr said
    @VESPIN
    How’s the research and analysis of our matches to support your absurd claim coming along. It’s been almost a year now. It can’t be that many matches, can it? Or does the data not support your falsehood?
    Doing it the right way, not using system, half way point I am ahead by 15 games. But half way stilll to go.

    Why are you not better after all the games you play?You and I were in a tournament recently, you got zero points, and I just missed moving through by 3 points and there were four of us. Once again showing you can't play.

    Focus on your clan team because as of now you have no voice, and are not respected.
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    19 Mar '24 21:31
    @lstcyr said
    What a hunk of horse manure. MYOB
    Rusty is my business. Second, prove your work!!! Show Stats that prove what you say is true. You keep saying he is wrong, show in stats, clans, leaders, players, show all your work and show how he is wrong. Rusty has already proven everything he has said over the last 15 years and over 10 championships. Most of your years have been in the negative.

    I feel badly for your players. My Lord you are bad.
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    19 Mar '24 15:52
    @lstcyr said
    Hey, Michael, mind your own business. VeryRusty is trying to convince me of his falsehoods so I’m asking him to show the analysis, which he never did.

    Just like I challenged you almost a year ago to show the analysis that you said you were doing about or matches together. You never did that either.

    Both of you are all talk and no analysis. You should be prime recruits for the Trump campaign.
    He doesn't have to. See all your red thumbs? Nobody agrees with you and you are making yourself look really bad. Rusty has put facts in there, and done all the work. You are one of those people who will never get it, you are lazy and won't do any of the work which is why you have been so horrible in the ratings all these years, and you have nothing to say except "Rusty give me facts." He has done that. He has proven himself to the owner and admins and has the respect of the leaders.

    Again, what have you done to contribute to the clan system, what idea's, who have you helped???? Other than feeding clans points over and over again.

    You have nothing to say because you don't understand how any of this works. You will never change and you are happy being what you are, a horrible leader who understand nothing about the clan system.

    I'm done with you for now. You are to ignorant to discuss this with. Do your homework like I did for years to get to where my team is now.

    The only person who has to prove themselves and give facts is you. Only you.

    Have a nice day!
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    18 Mar '24 15:47
    @lstcyr said
    @Very-Rusty Next step, resort to insults to avoid addressing the fact that YOU can NOT prove what you are saying. Show your analysis. Show something that indicates that you actually did ANY analysis except a cursory look at the data. You CAN’T, can you? Didn’t think so.

    I’m guessing what’s next is the “I give up responding to him because he doesn’t agree with me tactic.
    You are the one who needs the analysis not Rusty. The good leaders talk to each other and know what he is saying is true. And they understand it something you know nothing about. Here is a thought.... How about as the worse leader, you try to get better, and you go into all the clans on the first page and learn something. Then go through all the clans as I have for years, so you can see the trends, see the horrible matches that are being made, who is giving away points to certain teams which is pointing towards collusion in many leaders minds.

    You are in that mix my friend. You should be doing your homework and who your helping over and over and over again. I spread my matches out and make it fair for all that play us. The team in first place does not do that. You don't do that.

    Rusty has proven himself in over 15 years he has been here. Championships and ideas for the owner and admins.

    What have you contributed to this site lstcyr??????? Can you name one idea that anyone listened to? You have to do the work, not Rusty. Rusty has done the work which is why he can talk about it intelligently. You just repeat yourself. I know the people in your clan, I sent many of them to you, they are good people. They don't know what you are or how bad you are at this. Do your homework then people will listen, maybe.
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    18 Mar '24 15:35
    @lstcyr said
    Still no facts. All talk, no facts. Keep saying the same thing over and over until you think I’ll tire. I don’t tire with BSers.
    Why should Rusty do the work for you. You are a leader, in theory anyway, and you should know every team, every leader, and every player or most, and you should know who you are giving points away to over and over again. I remember you had the record at NEGATIVE 170 points I think last year or the year before. There is no leader in the clan system anywhere near as bad as you.

    You don't understand the basics. I remember when you had all those negative points you played everyone but us. Do you know how many games and matches you have to lose to be in the negative that far?

    You talk about facts. How about you learn all the leaders names, Learn the players, reach 100 points by learning how to set up matches and learning the system then you might have one idea that might be worth mentioning. I doubt it but you should try. This is not about you being inexperienced. I was to at one point. But I worked my butt off to better myself so I could add to the clan system instead of giving away points with lopsided matches which is all you are good for.

    Learn first, then open your mouth. Do the work, better your team, then you can debate people. Rusty won over 10 championships on a great team, he knows all the things you need to, and even the owner of the site listens to him. There is not one person with half a brain listing to you. Put the work and time in then you can say something. Rusty has been playing chess longer than you and would crush you on the board. You should be as good as he is for all the games you play. And you are no better than me.

    People listen to Rusty because of his knowledge. Nobody listens to you.
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    13 Mar '24 05:54
    @lstcyr said
    @Anglian I am in awe of your post. On target and well stated. Congrats.
    Difference between lstcyr who knows nothing, and the person who we all look to as he has really helped the owner at times, as well as Rusty and Roma45, with idea's and I believe coding as well. Here is the leader of Metallica's post below. I found it.

    @medullah
    Pete,

    So far I have seen many positions on the matter of resigning meaningless games. Many of those expressing opinions are not looking at all of the ramifications of the actions, since many of the naysayers are the very ones that instituted the system we have in place now. I, for one, was not a proponent when it was instituted, but I really have never cared what rules they institute as long as everyone plays by the same rules and that the system change occurs at the beginning of the year and not during the year.

    That being said, the claim that resigning meaningless games occurs nowhere else, well that simply isn't true. It happens in many major sporting event such as baseball, basketball, soccer, etc... When they set up a best of 7 or a best of 5 or even a best of 3 championship, it is the same thing. Once one team has achieved the necessary number of wins ( ie 4 in the the best of 7 and so on), the rest of the remaining games are not even played. If you look at a 5 man challenge, it simply becomes a best out of 10, or 5.5/6 out of 10 wins it. The rest are meaningless. In that regard it is a no brainer. I have played in team chess championships where, games were drawn once the title was decided. The Ryder Cup in golf was that way for years.

    Now, for those who claim it is being done to reduce ratings, I laugh because the system is so miserably set up as it is. You have some many ways to manipulate the ratings, many being currently employed as we speak by the clan currently in first place. It isn't hard to spot, all you have to do is look. Some folks have championed a separate rating system for clan play, which would be great, except Russ doesn't want to spend the time, energy and money to set it up. That doesn't seem to be a viable solution. You could perhaps adjust the calculation for the rating so resignations don't lower the rating, but I am not sure how they would descriminate against a legitimate resignation because you are lost in the game.

    Would you rather instead of resigning meaningless games, they just quit moving altogether until the time runs out and the opponent claims the skull? Same result/effect, just no resignation. You see, it is a silly notion. This is not about honor, and it never has been. The other thing that I have often laughed about is when the player who resigns his games because the match was over and was losing both games already. Everyone assumes they were not losing already.

    Now, if you want to revise the scoring and make every game meaningful and played to the end, revise the scoring system. I personally am not sure rewarding the losing team has merit or not, but, you could make every won game a point for the winning team, but then you are just really playing a bunch of sigles matches. The team concept is moot. I don't think you could really add on a winning team bonus because a one man challenge vs a 10 man challege you not be able to win the same prize. Perhaps a staggered award might work, who knows?

    There is a faction here who have actively tried to blow up the clan system for years now. There have been three sets of rules employed here since I began as a clan leader 16 years ago. They are still at it. Flipping the finger at the system won't solve anything. Changing the rules just changes the effect. Figure out how to stop the collusion. Figure out how to stop the ones hellbent on blowing things up and you have won the battle.

    For the record, I avoid the forums these days because there are too many juveniles in here with their thumbs down or their sniping. I was asked to post a position, and I have done so. Anyone that wishes to speak about this intelligently can message me. I just don't have the time or the inclination to play tit for tat.

    Good luck
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