@wildgrass said
Last year there was a similarly sized aid package.

Well if that is the case then neither of these links you provided support that.

Same source for 2022. But this is 2024:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-signs-95-billion-war-aid-measure-with-relief-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan/

And this was 2023....
https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart

@earl-of-trumps said
I know. Proclaiming my desire for freedom is so unreasonable, eh? And so out of fashion

Freedom to accept the consequences of their bad choices on Oct 7th.
They certainly have that.

@wildgrass said
Yeah I was correcting your claim that US support for Israel is only $3 billion. It's more like $40 billion in just the last 2 years.

There is no evidence to support your gross exaggeration of $40B in the last 2 years. US aid to Israel has been about steady at $3B over the last few years. It is only this year Biden signed off an increase of around $14B, making it $17B for this coming year only. This he said is to help Israel defend against Iran. I suspect Israel wants to take out Irans nuclear facilities hidden in the mountains. I think the world should be grateful that these sickos have no nukes because of Israel.

@wildgrass said
Same source for 2022. But this is 2024:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-signs-95-billion-war-aid-measure-with-relief-for-ukraine-israel-and-taiwan/

And this was 2023....

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart

That's a lot of tacos.

This bill is not yet in force, maybe it is for 2025. It was overwhelmingly approved by the US Senate, 79/18. Apparently there are just a handful of Palestinian supporters among the US Senate. They all see the justification in assisting Israel. Maybe they know something you dont. Maybe these are some of the reasons why Americans like Israel:

Is it that they’re the only democratic country in the region?
Is it that they’re the only country in the region where women have any real rights?
Is it that they’re the only country in the region where members of the LGBT+ community are not executed, but in fact welcomed?
Is it that they don’t require citizens to be members of their faith, and even allow members of different faiths to participate in the government?
Is it that despite being surrounded on all sides by peoples that want to wipe them off the face of the earth that they have never once initiated any sort of conflict, and strive for peaceful relations with all their neighbors?
Is it that when defending themselves against those who want to destroy them, and who willingly rape and torture their innocent civilians, that they still try to limit civilian casualties of their opponents as much as possible, even though doing so greatly increases the risk to their own soldiers?
Is it their enormous contributions to medicine and other sciences despite the tiny size of their country?
Is it their continued desire to make peace with those who have attacked them, even going so far as to offer aid, support, and infrastructure to their enemies once a cease-fire has been declared?

[copied off Quora]

@kevcvs57 said
And Jewish extremists say the same whilst slaughtering tens of thousands of gazans and ethnically cleansing the West Bank.
You have argument here other than that of a islamaphobic genocidal maniac

Islam is a genocidal religion
Islam teaches its followers to convert or kill.
Muslims are the maniacs.

All smart people are islamophobic.
The fools are not

@kevcvs57 said
Give us actual numbers of people ACTUALLY calling for the genocide of the Jewish people at these protests, 99% of them are calling for the cessation of genocide in Gaza. Which you clearly are not

The protests are calling for the removal of the occupiers [Israel], and the freeing of Palestine from the river to the sea. Thats the whole of Palestine. This calls for a one state solution and the removal of the Jewish nation.

@shavixmir said
If you know so much about the hadiths, you will also know that the 4 Sunni Islamic schools adhere to different hadiths as does Shia Islam.
And Al Bukhari is not amongst the 4 Shia hadiths.

Sura 2:62 is very clear on the relationship between moslims, Jews and Christians:
[quote] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoev ...[text shortened]... different in appearance to Western non-Jewish people (like Seinfeld, for example).

Mundo bizarro.

I am pretty sure that we have all met, entertained, socialised and even liked some of the most evil people on earth like pedophiles, wife-beaters, murderers, because we have no knowledge of their personal life. So this claim that people always make that they met Muslims and they are very nice people is really irrelevant to the issue at hand.

The issue is that extremists Muslims use their Quran to justify the killing of certain people. Your opinion about the Bible and Quran being nonsense is equally irrelevant. These people believe that their God justifies their actions. Thats all that matters.

Understanding what they believe and why is critical to the course of action required to stop them. The Jews understand them.

@wildgrass said
Those are prewar 2022 numbers. It's more than $17 billion that we just forklifted over to you, to 'fight' civilians. Do you not need the money? Why all the groveling then?

I don't take any credit and it seems you don't want to give it either. The protestors - the topic of the thread - want the funding to end. You can keep buying your bombs with your own money.

I would be interested in seeing the source of your data for 2022. Here is what I got:

The United States committed over $3.3 billion in foreign assistance to Israel in 2022, the most recent year for which data exists.[1] About $8.8 million of that went toward the country's economy, while 99.7% of the aid went to the Israeli military..

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/

@wildgrass said
You'd have fewer US protestors if we were not funding your feelings.

You take too much credit. The US funds $3B out of a $25B defense budget. Its small potatoes. US protestors mean nothing to the rest of the world.

@shavixmir said
Nowhere in the qoran does it say tht Jews should be killed.

Indeed, Jews and Christians are believed to be of the same God.

Muslims claim that in order to understand the Quran the Hadiths must also be consulted and read. Here is what it says:

It was reported that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ 1 This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.

@wildgrass said
What do you call someone who kills a killer?
There will always be another Hamas.
Removing a geographic location? Seems odd.

Safety is an illusion mate.

A man of God, a promoter of justice, a righteous man ... pick one
Then the other Hamases will meet the same fate... they are all going to die
Remove the Arabs from Gaza who have been terrorising the Jews for the last 20 years.
For you. Jews feel safe when the Arabs who want to kill them are on the run.

Ask some more.

@wildgrass said
I don't know. It was not. Nothing.

What does that have to do with Israel bombing civilians?

To kill the killers and their supporters.
To finish Hamas
To remove Gaza.
To feel safe.

Any other stupid questions?

@shavixmir said
I challenge you.
Show us yiur evidence from the quoran.

Oh, by the way, Allah = God… it’s the same bloody entity.

Here it is: It is not the same God. The God of Israel will never advise people to kill Jews.

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Does Al Quran call to kill infidels?

Most assuredly it does. The Taqiya answers given already are without foundation as they are quoting abrogated text and ignore history.

If the Quran and ahadith aren’t sufficient, look at 14 centuries of killing. Islam didn’t spread from out of the Arabian Peninsula and cover Morocco to Indonesia with peace and love. You could ask the (conservative estimate of) 80 million Hindus killed during the conquest of India or the cultures of North Africa (remember Carthage?) utterly destroyed with the spread of Islam, but of course, they’re gone. But it’s not just ancient history, it’s happening daily to Yazidi, Christian Nigerians and more, by people following the letter of the law as dictated by the Quran. As there are far too many surahs and ahadith instructing Muslims to kill unbelievers, here is a taste.

The penultimate surah chronologically is number 9, the most violent of the surahs.

9:5
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Note that it says when the sacred months have passed. This means they were not under attack. If they were, the Quran commanded them to defend themselves so there would have been no waiting.

9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Note that this abrogates any remaining verse saying Christians and Jews are safe. Just to make sure that Jews and Christians are to be included in conquest, four verses later is:

9:33
“It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.”

A couple more samples from the second to last surah:

9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Many, MANY more surah verses commanding violence, especially Medinan verses. Just one more Medinan verse for you, 66:9

O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Let’s not forget ahadith.

Sahih Muslim 1:30
"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Sahih Muslim 31:5917 describes Muhammad’s general, Ali, going off to fight but pausing and asking why these people are to be attacked. Muhammad’s response was because they are not Muslim.

“Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”

Plenty more in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, but I leave you with what is probably the coldest and most callous utterance from Muhammad, quoted several times in both sets of the two most trusted (authentic) collections of ahadith. When informed that during an attack on unbelievers (attacked for nothing but being polytheists) that innocent women and children were killed, he responded “They are from them.”
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https://qr.ae/psMdgG

@kevcvs57 said
No I don’t anymore than people who dream of visiting another planet are actually astronauts
In the real world the only people slaughtering and starving a whole people are the Israelis.

Genocide .. some examples from recent history:

1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenian genocide.
6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.
800,000 Tutsis died in the Rwandan genocide.
2 million Bangladeshis in the Bangladeshi genocide.
300,000 in the East Timor genocide
500,000 in the Syrian genocide.
100,000 in the Papua New Guinea genocide.


Around 40,000 Gazans have died in the war Hamas started.
HAMAS STARTED THE WAR.
The aggressor and the instigator dont get to cry genocide.
Let them suck it up now.

Accusing Israel of engaging in genocide is simply a lie promoted by anti Semites lie.

@zahlanzi said
interesting interesting


tell me, should we kill the friends and neighbors and families of anyone who ever made a threat online?
"These rednecks from bumfukville threatened to kill everyone in New York and will never stop, let's bomb Alabama and every neighboring state to be sure they aren't a threat"

They did not just threaten. They actually raped, killed and kidnapped Israeli civilians.