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  1. SubscriberKewpie
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    13 Apr '24 07:43
    @suzianne said
    Why is it your business?
    Why is it not his business? Forums are public places where anyone can ask anything (subject to the ToS), and it's just another random general forum topic.
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    There are really two major Republican political stories dominating the news these days. The more obvious of the two is the attempt by former president Donald Trump and his followers to destroy American democracy. The other story is older, the one that led to Trump but that stands at least a bit apart from him. It is the story of a national shift away from the supply-side ideology of Reagan Republicans toward an embrace of the idea that the government should hold the playing field among all Americans level.

    While these two stories are related, they are not the same.

    For forty years, between 1981, when Republican Ronald Reagan took office, and 2021, when Democrat Joe Biden did, the Republicans operated under the theory that the best way to run the country was for the government to stay out of the way of market forces. The idea was that if individuals could accumulate as much money as possible, they would invest more efficiently in the economy than they could if the government regulated business or levied taxes to invest in public infrastructure and public education. The growing economy would result in higher tax revenues, enabling Americans to have both low taxes and government services, and prosperity would spread to everyone.

    But the system never worked as promised. Instead, during that 40-year period, Republicans passed massive tax cuts under Reagan, George W. Bush, and Trump, and slashed regulations. A new interpretation of antitrust laws articulated by Robert Bork in the 1980s permitted dramatic consolidation of corporations, while membership in labor unions declined. The result was that as much as $50 trillion moved upward from the bottom 90% of Americans to the top 1%.

    To keep voters on board the program that was hollowing out the middle class, Republicans emphasized culture wars, hitting hard on racism and sexism by claiming that taxes were designed by Democrats to give undeserving minorities and women government handouts and promising their evangelical voters they would overturn the Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision recognizing the constitutional right to abortion. Those looking for tax cuts and business deregulation depended on culture warriors and white evangelicals to provide the votes to keep them in power.

    But the election of Democrat Barack Obama in 2008 proved that Republican arguments were no longer effective enough to elect Republican presidents. So in 2010, with the Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission decision, the Supreme Court freed corporations to pour unlimited money into U.S. elections. That year, under Operation REDMAP, Republicans worked to dominate state legislatures so they could control redistricting under the 2010 census, yielding extreme partisan gerrymanders that gave Republicans disproportionate control. In 2013 the Supreme Court’s Shelby County v. Holder decision greenlighted the voter suppression Republicans had been working on since 1986.

    Even so, by 2016 it was not at all clear that the cultural threats, gerrymandering, and voter suppression would be enough to elect a Republican president. People forget it now because of all that has come since, but in 2016, Trump offered not only the racism and sexism Republicans had served up for decades, but also a more moderate economic program than any other Republican running that year. He called for closing the loopholes that permitted wealthy Americans to evade taxes, cheaper and better healthcare than the Democrats had provided with the Affordable Care Act (also known as Obamacare), bringing manufacturing back to the U.S., and addressing the long backlog of necessary repairs to our roads and bridges through an infrastructure bill.

    But once in office, Trump threw economic populism overboard and resurrected the Republican emphasis on tax cuts and deregulation. His signature law was the 2017 tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy at a cost of at least $1.9 trillion over ten years. At the same time, Trump continued to feed his base with racism and sexism, and after the Unite the Right rally at Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, he increasingly turned to his white nationalist base to shore up his power. On January 6, 2021, he used that base to try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

    Republican senators then declined to convict Trump of that attempt in his second impeachment trial, apparently hoping he would go away. Instead, their acquiescence in his behavior has enabled him to continue to push the Big Lie that he won the 2020 election. But to return to power, Trump has increasingly turned away from establishment Republicans and has instead turned the party over to its culture war and Christian nationalist foot soldiers. Now Trump has taken over the Republican National Committee itself, and his supporters threaten to turn the nation over to the culture warriors who care far more about their ideology than they do about tax cuts or deregulation.

    The extremism of Trump’s base is hugely unpopular among general voters. Most significantly, Trump catered to his white evangelical base by appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade, and in 2022, when the court did so, the dog caught the car. Americans overwhelmingly support reproductive freedoms, and Republicans are getting hammered over the extreme abortion bans now operative in Republican-dominated states. Now Trump and a number of Republicans have tried to back away from their antiabortion positions, infuriating antiabortion activists.

    It is hard to see how the Republican Party can appeal to both Trump’s base and general voters at the same time.

    That split dramatically weakens Trump politically while he is in an increasingly precarious position personally. He will, of course, go on trial on Monday, April 15, for alleged crimes committed as he interfered in the 2016 election. At the same time, the $175 million appeals bond he posted to cover the judgment in his business fraud trial has been questioned and must be justified by April 14. The court has scheduled a hearing on the bond for April 22. And his performance at rallies and private events has been unstable.

    He seems a shaky reed on which to hang a political party, especially as his MAGA Republicans have proven unable to manage the House of Representatives and are increasingly being called out as Russian puppets for their attacks on Ukraine aid.

    Regardless of Trump’s future, though, the Reagan Era is over.

    President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris have quite deliberately rejected the economic ideology that concentrated wealth among the 1%. On their watch, the federal government has worked to put money into the hands of ordinary Americans rather than the very wealthy. With Democrats and on occasion a few Republicans, they have passed legislation to support families, dedicate resources to making sure people with student debt are receiving the correct terms of their loans (thus relieving significant numbers of Americans), and invested in manufacturing, infrastructure, and addressing climate change. They have also supported unions and returned to an older definition of antitrust law, suing Microsoft, Amazon, and Apple and allowing the federal government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies over drug prices.

    Their system has worked. Under Biden and Harris the U.S. has had unemployment rates under 4% for 26 months, the longest streak since the 1960s. Wages for the bottom 80% of Americans have risen faster than inflation, chipping away at the huge disparity between the rich and the poor that the policies of the past 40 years have produced.

    Today, in an interview with Jamie Kitman of The Guardian, United Auto Workers president Shawn Fain, who negotiated landmark new union contracts with the country’s Big Three automakers, explained that the world has changed: “Workers have realized they’ve been getting screwed for decades, and they’re fed up.”
    Heather Cox Richardson
    Notes:

    https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2024/04/07/trump-vs-biden-who-got-more-done-on-foreign-policy/

    https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/13/shawn-fain-president-uaw-union-interview

    https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-glitches-yet-again-during-rally

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-175-million-civil-fraud-bond-valid-new-york/

    https://www.npr.org/2024/01/05/1222714145/jobs-report-december-labor-wages

    https://www.salon.com/2024/04/10/theyre-still-playing-games-ex-prosecutor-warns-may-face-asset-seizure-over-invalid-bond/
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    15 Apr '24 08:49
    @wajoma said
    you ijit, it's banning heat protection laws, not banning heat protection.

    Just another example of your over wrought rantings, not to be taken seriously about this, and so any legitimate thing you may say loses credibility.
    The health and safety regulations weren’t introduced because companies were doing such a great job of regulating themselves.
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    16 Apr '24 14:231 edit
    @mott-the-hoople said
    need a banana to go with that republic?
    Trump has admitted to making the payment through Michael Cohen. Cohen has already gone to prison for making the payment. Trump's signature is on the checks. Both women have admitted to getting the payments, which were falsely filed as business expenses to the State of New York.

    Trump is guilty and he's going to be convicted. Real crimes, no bananas. Time to wake up from your fever dream, Trumpers.
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    16 Apr '24 16:321 edit
    @kmax87 said
    I agree but I think he's working with an outdated set of skills that worked very well for him, until the me too movement came along. The world has changed and no longer validates or enables his behaviour and the old dog he is, is unable to learn new tricks.
    The problem for a narcissist like trump is that they generally get away with their behaviour by over-bluffing others and changing the narrative to suit themselves (gaslighting) , but in trump’s case he’s constantly on TV and everything is recorded.

    So when he tries to save his ego by gaslighting everyone, someone pulls up what he originally said or done.

    It must be very frustrating for him. So, then the media has to be fake, doesn’t it. It is impossible for him to be wrong. So, everything else is fake, made to get him, motivated by anti-trumpism, etc.

    And what’s fascinating is that this is all playing out on TV. And you can see his victims (yes republicans… when you are convinced by a narcissist, you are a victim) defending him:

    - oh, he was only joking
    - oh, the media is fake and out for him
    - oh, the whole justice system is opposed to him
    - oh, he loves me really officer…

    Normally it’s only psychologists (for the victims, narcissists obviously hardly ever go to therapy… there’s nothing wrong with them, it’s always someone else), police and survivors who get to see the whole spectacle play out.

    But now it’s the world.
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    12 Apr '24 10:21
    @kellyjay said
    Good and Evil, are they a real part of the universe or something made up that are both very malleable to suit the one using those terms?
    If there were no sentient beings in the universe, there would be no value judgements, neither good nor evil. In this sense, they are not objective facts about the universe, like the existence of matter and energy. However, this does not mean that good and evil are whatever one individual thinks they are.
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    13 Apr '24 01:571 edit
    @averagejoe1 said
    One of the simple questions which should be answered in this busy world.
    Does anyone watch him read off of a piece of paper that he is going to do this? Does anyone agree with this? Do you know someone who has never been to college who will be assessed money to pay off a person's debts? His graduate school college loans?
    One of the simple questions which should be answered in this busy world. - You asked 4 questions here, not one, so which one(s) do you want answered?

    Does anyone watch him read off of a piece of paper that he is going to do this? - Who is "him?"

    Does anyone agree with this? - Yes

    Do you know someone who has never been to college who will be assessed money to pay off a person's debts? - Yes, it's done in Europe all the time.

    His graduate school college loans? Yes, those too.

    Dear Joe - There are over 35 countries that offer its citizens free college education, So, please - stop treating higher education as if it were an illegal drug.
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    13 Apr '24 02:06
    @averagejoe1 said
    One of the simple questions which should be answered in this busy world.
    Does anyone watch him read off of a piece of paper that he is going to do this? Does anyone agree with this? Do you know someone who has never been to college who will be assessed money to pay off a person's debts? His graduate school college loans?
    Stale topic mate.

    Goobermint subsidizes all kinds of economic activities. This is just another example. For some reason it bugs you.
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    13 Apr '24 12:381 edit
    @shavixmir said
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68796363

    [quote]US President Joe Biden says he expects Iran to attack Israel "sooner than later", as fears grow of Iranian retaliation over an air strike that killed top commanders early this month.
    Israel has not admitted attacking an Iranian consulate in Syria but is widely believed to have been behind it.
    US officials have ...[text shortened]... ing and starting whole bloody wars based on lies.

    The whole country deserves to be fukking nuked.
    The country that deserves to be nuked is Iran. They are the main supporters of Islamic terrorism all over the world. Thankfully Israel removed their nuclear weapons facility and assassinated a few of their nuclear scientists. Serves them right.

    Lets hope they are stupid enough [Like Hamas] to attack Israel. Then there will be people like you crying over the amount of Iranian babies dying..
  10. SubscriberDrewnogal
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    13 Apr '24 21:59
    @fartacus said
    These guys are fighting and tumbling into all the threads like some cartoon characters from Looney Toons
    Enjoy the ride 😁
  11. Subscribersonhouse
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    15 Apr '24 05:36
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-signs-bill-banning-heat-160241642.html

    What kind of insanity is this?
    Banning heat protection for outside workers? Can you imagine what he would have done if he had been elected POTUS?
    No time off for heat prostration, no water, what the HELL is wrong with this dude?
  12. Subscribermoonbus
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    15 Apr '24 12:50
    @kevcvs57 said
    “ Trump literally wants to get rid of American democracy and replace it with dictatorship.”
    As do:- mott, Joe and numerous other MAGAs on here. They know exactly what trump has in store for the country and they back him on it 100% These extremists cannot rely on democracy in the long term so they are hoping a confluence of factors allow trump to sneak into the White House with a minority vote and then they can stop worrying about that pesky democracy thing
    It is not only Trump who wants to deconstruct democracy in America. Many evangelicals want to too, and they are not even hiding their intentions.

    "Putting Christian nationalism front and center in Trump’s second term is also a key part of Project 2025, the very public effort by Trump allies to reshape the executive branch into a tool of unchallenged one-man rule. Trump’s Christian nationalist allies don’t hide these efforts because they don’t view them as something shameful. Rather, they consider themselves the vanguard of a so-called “moral restoration” of the United States, which can only be achieved by destroying the democratic structures that allow non-Christians to immigrate, vote and seek public office in this country.

    According to Project 2025’s authoritarian manifesto, “Freedom is defined by God, not man.” In the Christian nationalist reading of American history, too many non-Christians enjoy too much freedom, and even unconstitutional actions are justified if they return America to Trump’s imagined national past. "


    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/
  13. Standard memberspruce112358
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    15 Apr '24 14:551 edit
    Davenport, Iowa. 12/5/23

    Hannity (18:33):
    We almost have to go to a break. I want to go back to this one issue, though, because the media has been focused on this and attacking you. Under no circumstances, you are promising America tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.

    Trump (18:51):
    Except for day one.

    Hannity (18:53):
    Except for?

    Trump (18:54):
    He’s going crazy. Except for day one.

    Hannity (18:55):
    Meaning?

    Trump (18:56):
    I want to close the border and I want to drill.

    Hannity (18:59):
    That’s not retribution.

    Trump (19:05):
    I’m going to be… He keeps… We love this guy. He says you’re not going to be a dictator, are you? I said, no, no, no. Other than day one. We’re closing the border and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator. Okay?

    ===
    Yukkity yuk yuk...
    ===

    And just to be clear - IF you elect Donald Trump, and on DAY 1 he becomes a dictator... well, he told you. That's what he SAID he was going to do. You GET what you deserve, right? HE TOLD YOU!

    You: "Oh, but we all thought it was a joke."
    Trump: "No, it wasn't. I would never joke about something like that."
    You: 'But... but... you SAID you were joking!"
    Trump: "Look at this guy. He's going crazy. We love him! I was joking that I was joking, ok?"
    You: "But...well...ok. But tomorrow, you will stop, right?"
    Trump: "Tomorrow isn't here yet. And the situation is very different. Much worse! So we'll have to see."

    Just a Funny Guy... So Fun... So Hilarious.
  14. Standard memberspruce112358
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Not exactly. Spruce, 3rd post on p 2, did not answer it there. (he posted a youtube, but did not answer. Certainly a youtube was not his answer?) So he did not answer on page 2.
    Moonbus did answer on page 2, I must have missed it because of his unnecessary typing at the beginning. You guys can really get wordy. Did he mention Trump while he was at it. Anyway, ...[text shortened]... king traffic a crime?? Protest is legal. What a mess. Thanks libs. I missed my flight to Syria.
    Also ... this is the Debates Forum. Not the 'Answer All My Questions' Forum.

    If you claim 'no one is answering me' and everybody says YES WE DID, then that's not a very effective technique, is it.

    No, that was not a question.
  15. Standard memberspruce112358
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    ...just sent me this text:

    "I serve an audience of one; God is my judge.

    It's Speaker Mike Johnson. Learn more about my mission to glorify Him: vote24.io/4DDNVN

    STOP=end"
    ===
    AN AUDIENCE OF ONE?!? WhoTF does this guy think he is?!?

    Get this MF out of my democratic government NOW!!!
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