15 Jul 05
As I've stated before, I'm principally a historian. One of my current projects concerns the Klondike Gold Rush (1897-1899). The sourdoughs--experienced miners--all knew to look for gold in the creeks, and they found gold aplenty. But a few greenhorns found even larger deposits when they dug a few feet deep on the hills above the creeks.
Now, geologists, and the sourdoughs studied geology, were able to account for this apparent analomy fairly easily, once the gold was found. How do young earth creationists account for the greatest deposits of Gold in the Klondike mining region being found on the hills, rather than in the creeks?
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrIf God created the earth, the stars, and everything where they are
As I've stated before, I'm principally a historian. One of my current projects concerns the Klondike Gold Rush (1897-1899). The sourdoughs--experienced miners--all knew to look for gold in the creeks, and they found gold aplenty. But a few greenhorns found even larger deposits when they dug a few feet deep on the hills above the creeks.
Now, geologists, ...[text shortened]... osits of Gold in the Klondike mining region being found on the hills, rather than in the creeks?
and the way they are, why would seeing gold anywhere be an issue, I
don't understand your question?
Kelly
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrCould you give us a Geology 101 on the formation of Gold?
As I've stated before, I'm principally a historian. One of my current projects concerns the Klondike Gold Rush (1897-1899). The sourdoughs--experienced miners--all knew to look for gold in the creeks, and they found gold aplenty. But a few greenhorns found even larger deposits when they dug a few feet deep on the hills above the creeks.
Now, geologists, ...[text shortened]... osits of Gold in the Klondike mining region being found on the hills, rather than in the creeks?
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayThat's a very big "if" given the preponderous of times you have to retreat to Goddunnit to explain the world.
If God created the earth, the stars, and everything where they are
and the way they are, why would seeing gold anywhere be an issue, I
don't understand your question?
Kelly
If an omnimax unicorn created the world we could explain it too. Allah did it. Quetzalcotl did it. Zeus did it. It's all the same.
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15 Jul 05
Originally posted by rwingettI am afraid the word "evolve" answers just the same amount of questions. Both are unprovable. So I suppose you just have to pick your choice.
Come on, Wulebgr, you should have seen KellyJay's answer coming. "God done it" answers all questions, apparently.
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, I usually expect a more thoughtful response from you. Of course, gold has no intrinsic value. But men have invested it with tremendous value, as they have diamonds (and for much the same purpose--mostly ornamental, some industrial applications).
If God created the earth, the stars, and everything where they are
and the way they are, why would seeing gold anywhere be an issue, I
don't understand your question?
Kelly
The science was of terrific importance to the prospectors, but they applied it through to narrow a framework and missed the greatest finds until some ignorant newbies showed them where to look.
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15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrI think Kelly was asking you to explain how your post in any way disparages a young earth.
Kelly, I usually expect a more thoughtful response from you. Of course, gold has no intrinsic value. But men have invested it with tremendous value, as they have diamonds (and for much the same purpose--mostly ornamental, some industrial applications).
The science was of terrific importance to the prospectors, but they applied it through to narrow a framework and missed the greatest finds until some ignorant newbies showed them where to look.
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by telerionI'll stop with the 'Goddunnit' when you stop asking about things that
That's a very big "if" given the preponderous of times you have to retreat to Goddunnit to explain the world.
If an omnimax unicorn created the world we could explain it too. Allah did it. Quetzalcotl did it. Zeus did it. It's all the same.
God did.
Kelly
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrWhy not ask why a tree is here, or a mountain, a rock?
Kelly, I usually expect a more thoughtful response from you. Of course, gold has no intrinsic value. But men have invested it with tremendous value, as they have diamonds (and for much the same purpose--mostly ornamental, some industrial applications).
The science was of terrific importance to the prospectors, but they applied it through to narrow a framework and missed the greatest finds until some ignorant newbies showed them where to look.
Why would you think you were going to see something other than
that?
Can you tell me why gold is here, I mean why, what caused matter
to form into gold, what caused matter period?
Quesitons like that are answered how, without God?
More times than not they are answered by saying, 'No one knows,
but we know God had nothing to do with it!"
Faith, what can I say?
Kelly
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayAssume for the sake of argument that God created the gold.
Why not ask why a tree is here, or a mountain, a rock?
Why would you think you were going to see something other than
that?
Can you tell me why gold is here, I mean why, what caused matter
to form into gold, what caused matter period?
Quesitons like that are answered how, without God?
More times than not they are answered by saying, 'No one knows,
but we know God had nothing to do with it!"
Faith, what can I say?
Kelly
There is still the matter of science.
Where gold is found stems from geologic processes, and human prospecting. Successful prospectors usually work from a theory rooted in their geological knowledge. Young earth creationists argue that basic principles of the science of geology are in error. These basic principles, no more than one learns in Geology 101, are sufficient to account for the heavier deposits of gold being found on the hills in the Klondike mining region--these particular discoveries were made in 1898. In similar fashion these basic principles account for the observation that gold is more often found in rivers than on the surrounding hills. Often, however, gold in creeks offers clues to the presence of larger deposits deep in the hills. In the Klondike, the large deposits on the hills were just below the surface, not deep at all. If young earth creationists can account for this phenomenon, it will answer my question.
I also picked this particular topic because I'm fairly confident that neither the creationists, nor their opponents can find quick answers through google. The story of the Klondike gold rush, on the other hand, is readily available online.
Originally posted by Halitose
Could you give us a Geology 101 on the formation of Gold?
I could, but will not. Take Geology for yourself, or stay out of the debate.
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15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrI think we would all like to know how the position of gold deposits has anything to do with the age of the earth?
Assume for the sake of argument that God created the gold.
There is still the matter of science.
Where gold is found stems from geologic processes, and human prospecting. Successful prospectors usually work from a theory rooted in their geological knowledge. Young earth creationists argue that basic principles of the science of geology are in error. Th ...[text shortened]... ion of Gold?
I could, but will not. Take Geology for yourself, or stay out of the debate.[/b]
15 Jul 05
Originally posted by WulebgrA quick read of the creation story has God making man, and man
Kelly, I usually expect a more thoughtful response from you. Of course, gold has no intrinsic value. But men have invested it with tremendous value, as they have diamonds (and for much the same purpose--mostly ornamental, some industrial applications).
The science was of terrific importance to the prospectors, but they applied it through to narrow a framework and missed the greatest finds until some ignorant newbies showed them where to look.
was not an infant but a full grown man. Afterwards there were children
born that went through all the processes of growing up. The same
with star light reaching the earth, the stars were made as a sign the
sign was shown and the light from those starts also are making their
way towards the earth, all processes of force, heat, evolution within
kinds of life are all started at creation, and from there they are simply
working their way through time as all things are, till God ends this
go around and sets up His never ending Kingdom here on earth as
He said He was going to.
Kelly