Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible

Originally posted by RJHinds
The test was obviously for the benefit of Isaac and those that follow in the faith.

How so? How do you benefit from this test? What have you learned from it?

Originally posted by C Hess
How so? How do you benefit from this test? What have you learned from it?

For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."

(Romans 4:2-8 NASB)

Originally posted by RJHinds

For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungo ...[text shortened]... LESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."

(Romans 4:2-8 NASB)

I don't think I understand. Are you saying that the point of this test is to say that you can be forgiven for your sins, and that's a good thing? Why jesus then?

Originally posted by C Hess
Well, that's an interesting twist that merits some thought. Are you saying that Abraham wasn't tested so that god could figure out if Abraham's faith was good, but that it was all for Abraham's benefit?

You suggested above that god wanted to test if Abraham would do something immoral on command, but god would already know how Abraham would respond, ...[text shortened]... nhouse pointed out.

But this is a subtly different point you're making. Care to expand on it?

The test wasn't for God's benefit at all; as has already been pointed out, God knew in advance what Abraham would choose. It was more to teach Abraham a lesson he'd never forget. God had promised to make a great nation of the descendants of Abraham, and had given him a son for that purpose. So there was a two-fold test.

1) Did Abraham really think that God would go back on his word?
2) Would Abraham do something blatantly immoral simply because God had commanded it?

He failed on both counts. He learned an unforgettable lesson that day.

Originally posted by C Hess
I don't think I understand. Are you saying that the point of this test is to say that you can be forgiven for your sins, and that's a good thing? Why jesus then?

We need an innocent substitite, like the lamb caught in the thicket.

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD!

Originally posted by RJHinds
We need an innocent substitite, like the lamb caught in the thicket.

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD!

It was ram, not a lamb.

Originally posted by divegeester
It was ram, not a lamb.

A male lamb becomes a ram, numbnuts.

Originally posted by RJHinds
A male lamb becomes a ram, numbnuts.

That's 5.

Originally posted by sonhouse
That's 5.

Heh he he 😀

Originally posted by RJHinds
The most holy men were those that performed animal sacrifice. God looked with more favor on the animal sacrifice of Abel than the vegetable sacrifice of Cain. 😏

HalleluYah !!! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!

What rubbish.............

Originally posted by RJHinds
Abraham proved that he believed God and had faith in Him. That faith was counted to him as righteousness.

HalleluYaHshua !!! Praies the LORD!

This is a childish belief in a silly fictitious story.

There was no God speaking to anyone.............and this is because the Bible is a book for the animal killers rendering it a fabrication by the ignorant at the time.

Understand that the Bible was deceitfully fabricated to control the people and to milk them of their funds and assets.

Even today people leave all their wealth to the Church so they can buy their way into heaven...............they are trying to buy their salvation but it buys nothing accept another birth in this material world of suffering.

Originally posted by Dasa
This is a childish belief in a silly fictitious story.

There was no God speaking to anyone.............and this is because the Bible is a book for the animal killers rendering it a fabrication by the ignorant at the time.

Understand that the Bible was deceitfully fabricated to control the people and to milk them of their funds and assets.

Even today pe ...[text shortened]... y their salvation but it buys nothing accept another birth in this material world of suffering.

No one can buy or work their way into Heaven, because eternal life is a gift of God so that nobody can boast. 😏

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD!

Originally posted by RJHinds
A male lamb becomes a ram, numbnuts.

But the Bible says the animal caught in branches by its horns was a ram not a lamb. So you are incorrect.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Books like that one are so gratuitously anti-religion that they are predictable to the point of being boring reads.

Has anyone wondered if we should be saving so many humans from so many diseases? Our population has shot up to 7 billion and rising like mad. Perhaps there's plenty of us on the planet already, and we should even it out at this point?

The world's population is not "rising like mad."

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
The world's population is not "rising like mad."

I think he means out of control.